From: Dr. Blake Nelson (bnelson301@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Oct 26 2003 - 14:48:31 EST
There is a difference between saying that someone is
lying and someone is a braying barn yard animal. In
the first instance, one is making an assertion about
what the person says, in the second, making an
assertion about the totality of the person, i.e., one
is simply attacking the person generally. I think the
first is an invitation to debate the veracity of the
person's statements, the second is just an ad hominem
attack.
Regardless of one's feelings of Wells (of whom I know
almost nothing and have no desire to know more), Dave
is either doing a disservice to Wells or donkeys, and
it seems rather inappropriate either way.
While I have absolutely no time of day for creation
science, attacking or mocking people is no better than
what I have seen Dawkins, et al. do in "debates", (or
name any other "screaming" head on "news" shows) and
it is no more becoming here.
--- Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
wrote:
> Dave is perfectly fair. I long for the day when I
> can find a YEC who does
> not falsify to such an extent that one can only
> conclude it is deliberate.
>
> Can anyone name a YEcreationist book or a
> YEcreationist speaker who does not
> falsify to such an extent that it must be
> deliberate.
>
> In common parlance that is lying.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Iain Strachan"
> <iain.strachan.asa@ntlworld.com>
> To: <allenroy@peoplepc.com>; "D. F. Siemens, Jr."
> <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Wells and Molecular Phylogenies
>
>
> > David F. Siemens:
> > >
> > > This braying jackass refuses to recognize that
> bacterial and viral genes
> > > have been incorporated in most genomes by
> transfer. It has nothing to do
> > > with descent. I find it hard to believe that
> anyone with even the most
> > > rudimentary familiarity with the literature
> would make a statement like
> > > Anderson's. I conclude that such falsehood must
> be deliberate.
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
> > Since Vernon Jenkins has been taken to task and
> asked to apologise for the
> > relatively minor slip of allowing the word "Gulag"
> to get into an ironic
> > response, and told by G.M. to apologise, I feel
> compelled to take issue
> with
> > the above piece of nastiness, typical of much that
> I see on the list that
> > goes unchallenged because it is directed at YEC's
> rather than by them.
> >
> > If the above had actually been directed to a
> poster on a list, rather than
> > one being cited as a poster, it ought to have been
> condemned as an
> outright
> > ad hominem attack, calling the person
> simultaneously a "braying jackass",
> > and also a liar. I trust Siemens will do the
> decent thing and apologise
> > for this intemperate outburst. However
> scientifically valid the point
> > you're making is, David, you have absolutely no
> right to couch it in such
> > language.
> >
> > Iain Strachan.
> >
> >
> >
>
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