Re: Josh's comment on Rokas vs. Wells

From: Josh Bembenek (jbembe@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Oct 25 2003 - 12:20:15 EDT

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    Denyse-

    Let me start by saying that Wells criticism was right in that there are
    incongruencies. But let's not overlook some very interesting science. The
    impression that Wells gives to some extent is that due to incongruencies,
    the whole tree of life idea is quite tenative. But this is not the case,
    just as we see that many species of fish have fins on their back, we should
    expect that there is a consistent and common genetic basis for this
    phenomena. Homologous things, whether designed or evolved, are expected to
    resemble one another not only in phenotype, but also in genotype. I think
    the whole criticism is off track for this reason, we should not expect
    things that operate in very similar ways to be reinvented in each and every
    organism. How you interpret this conservation, either a common blueprint
    derived in the mind of an IDer or a conserved set of functionality passed on
    through common descent is another issue- but there should and will be more
    and more conservation observed. The tree of life is not some willy-nilly
    disorganized idea that isn't really supported very well.

    Let's consider the 2001 Nobel prize awarded in the cell cycle field. Paul
    Nurse was one of the winners, and his discoveries were very important for
    science in general, and the cell cycle in particular. Check out this fairly
    easy pdf (I just serched google for Cdc2, Paul Nurse, and conservation):
    www.ias.ac.in/resonance/Feb2002/pdf/Feb2002p46-54.pdf

    Here's the relevant quote:

    Paul Nurse works at the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, London, UK and
    is the Head of ICRF. Using the fission yeast as a model, he identified and
    characterized the mode of function of the CDC2 gene. He showed the
    strong conservation of this gene from humans to yeast, thus demonstrating
    the remarkable conservation of this mechanism. He then elucidated
    the regulation of the activity of this protein and its role in cell cycle
    phase
    transitions. He has received the Gairdner Foundation International Award,
    The Albert Lasker Basic Medical Research award, which he shared with
    Hartwell and Masui.

    Basically, these pioneers discovered a whole collection of genes in yeast
    that were essential for the organism to successfully complete cell division.
      They discovered that one of the most important genes required for cell
    division was conserved. That means that you can take a yeast cell, and
    remove the gene. The removal of this gene causes yeast to die. You can
    then take the human gene and replace the lost yeast gene IN YEAST, and the
    yeast cells grow normally. This was a landmark discovery: the same subset
    of genes that govern cell division in fungal cells operate in human cells
    and they can be interchanged! This means that every time God made an
    organism, he didn't reinvent the wheel. It also means that we can study
    flies, worms, yeast, mice, etc. and make important discoveries about humans.
      This idea of conservation is very important, and most believe that it is
    proof that evolutionary mechanisms are responsible for deriving the
    biological life we see today. While this idea of conservation does not
    prove evolution, and cannot disprove a designer creating organisms based
    upon a common design, it is certaintly real.

    The other issue is that if you look at something like a cell cycle gene or
    genes with very essential function, they tend to have less sequence
    divergence than signalling molecules or molecules that perform allosteric
    interactions, etc. This plasticity of signalling molecules and stricter
    conservation of essential genes is a very general phenomena. When Wells'
    looks at a genes to show how incongruent the phylogenies are, he never makes
    these important distinctions nor does he fairly portray the data. He simply
    says look at how this one gene makes this tree of life sketch, whereas this
    other gene does something completely different.

    I think looking at the data more generally and open-mindedly argues strongly
    for conservation of genes within organisms and will ultimately show that the
    similarity we see among organisms by phenotype will be confirmed by
    genotype. This is not surprising. The argument ultimately will be in how
    to interpret this conservation of genetic function and how the phylogenetic
    relationship was derived.

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