Re: Phillip Johnson

From: Ted Davis (tdavis@messiah.edu)
Date: Thu Oct 16 2003 - 19:35:58 EDT

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    Walter Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com> writes:

    Help me out, Burgy or Ted. There is a clear cut difference between the two
    concepts [ted inserts: MN and PN] but I fail to see where it makes any
    practical difference in the
    outcome. Either way one arrives at a conclusion which precludes direct
    interaction by God. It seems like that old saw applies: "If it walks like a
    duck and it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then call it a
    duck"

    Whether MN ot PN, will the results not be the same -- a duck either way?

    Can you illustrate a difference in any scientific theory given the two
    views?

    Ted: No, I can't, not with a "scientific" theory. However, I can, if you
    ask me to illustrate a difference in what a scientific theory is said to
    *mean*, in the sense of ultimate meanings. That's the point we're trying to
    make. PN says that they ain't no ulitmate meanings, since mechanisms ain't
    got 'em, and mechanisms are the sum total of things. MN says that science
    can't provide an ultimate meaning, and leaves that task to philosophy and
    religion. In other words, PN is atheism while MN is religiously neutral.

    ted



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