Re: Not RATE (Was RE: Rate)

From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Wed Oct 08 2003 - 16:39:28 EDT

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    RFaussette@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 10/7/03 8:34:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cmekve@aol.com
    > writes:
    >
    > > In speaking of Christ it says, "One, not by the conversion of the Godhead
    > > into flesh but by taking the manhood [sic] into God".
    >
    > As that statement stands, Catholics should have a problem with it because
    > canon 290 reads" 'If anyone says that He [the Son] made flesh was not in heaven
    > with the Father while he was on earth he is a heretic," although it describes
    > gnosis perfectly.

            There are several things that puzzle me about this.

            1) Canon 290 of what?

            2) I find it hard to believe that the Roman Catholic Church would condemn the
    Athanasian Creed. (I think the above translation pretty accurately reflects the Latin.)

            3) I don't see why this part of the creed _does_ contradict the canon you've
    cited.

            4) That canon strikes me as odd since it seems to be a statement of the
    omnipresence of Christ's humanity during his state of humiliation. That is the way some
    Lutherans have spoken but I don't think has ever been official Roman teaching. Or is
    what is being rejected the teaching that the Logos was present in heaven "outside" the
    flesh of Christ on earth? That wouldn't surprise me but it isn't what the wording
    suggests.

                                                            Shalom,
                                                            George

    George L. Murphy
    gmurphy@raex.com
    http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

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