From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Thu Oct 02 2003 - 18:08:11 EDT
Walter Hicks wrote:
>
> george murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > But none of this is really germane to the problem of trying to achieve any reconciliation between
> > YECs and those who accept an old universe, earth, & humanity. Very few people in the former camp, &
> > nobody I know of in the latter, is really satisfied with the apparent age argument. YECs may use it
> > as a fallback position when their attempts to find scientific evidence for a young earth fall through,
> > but they aren't content to leave it there. If that weren't the case, why would they expend so much
> > effort on things like their RATE program?
>
> I have a suggestion. Suppose that some sort of agreement were reached (and I maintain that what I suggest
> could do it). What would that mean to ICR and other YEC leaders? Well it would put them totally out of
> business. They would have to fold tents and go find other employment. Nobody does that and we are all
> human.
>
> The motivation is high to make certain no agreement is ever reached and that the strife continues. It may
> be subconscious but but it is still likely. Why else would they make up science that that is patently
> wrong and defend it so vigorously?
>
> Then there is always Sebeny who is wrong without his livelihood depending on it -- the exception that
> proves the rule (because it IS an exception)!
>
> >
> > So there's not much point in promoting any variation on apparent age to try to bring YECs & old
> > earth people together. Neither group will be satisfied with it.
>
> A self fulfilling prophecy. *
> Probably true, but for the wrong reason.
Sorry but I don't understand this last comment. I said that YECs aren't
satisfied with apparent age & you agree. Old earth folks aren't satisfied with it
because they generally think that observations tell us about a real world, not an
apparent one. So if neither group accepts the compromise position, what's the point?
How is that the "wrong reason" for dropping the proposal? & what's the right reason?
& not every claim that something won't work is a "self fulfilling prophecy."
The claim that you can't build a perpetual motion machine isn't self fulfilling." It's
true that it may discourage you from trying, but if you tried it still wouldn't get
built because of the laws of thermo.
Shalom,
George
George L. Murphy
gmurphy@raex.com
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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