From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Thu Oct 02 2003 - 18:10:09 EDT
Who on this ASA list has the time to obtain data copies of the actual
current articles by the YEC people with degrees in science?
If we could all read one in its entirety, the discussion could be more
thorough, the jury more informed.
Jay Willingham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hicks" <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
To: "george murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
Cc: "Jay Willingham" <jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com>; "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: RATE
>
>
> george murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > But none of this is really germane to the problem of trying to
achieve any reconciliation between
> > YECs and those who accept an old universe, earth, & humanity. Very few
people in the former camp, &
> > nobody I know of in the latter, is really satisfied with the apparent
age argument. YECs may use it
> > as a fallback position when their attempts to find scientific evidence
for a young earth fall through,
> > but they aren't content to leave it there. If that weren't the case,
why would they expend so much
> > effort on things like their RATE program?
>
> I have a suggestion. Suppose that some sort of agreement were reached (and
I maintain that what I suggest
> could do it). What would that mean to ICR and other YEC leaders? Well it
would put them totally out of
> business. They would have to fold tents and go find other employment.
Nobody does that and we are all
> human.
>
> The motivation is high to make certain no agreement is ever reached and
that the strife continues. It may
> be subconscious but but it is still likely. Why else would they make up
science that that is patently
> wrong and defend it so vigorously?
>
> Then there is always Sebeny who is wrong without his livelihood depending
on it -- the exception that
> proves the rule (because it IS an exception)!
>
>
>
> >
> > So there's not much point in promoting any variation on apparent age
to try to bring YECs & old
> > earth people together. Neither group will be satisfied with it.
>
> A self fulfilling prophecy. *
> Probably true, but for the wrong reason.
>
> IMO
>
> Walt
>
> * Real estate agents in my town will tell you that there is a nice home
for sale but it is green and green
> homes are hard to sell if you decide to move. Guess why green homes are
hard to sell in my town.
>
> ===================================
> Walt Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
>
> In any consistent theory, there must
> exist true but not provable statements.
> (Godel's Theorem)
>
> You can only find the truth with logic
> If you have already found the truth
> without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
> ===================================
>
>
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