From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Wed Jul 23 2003 - 20:18:36 EDT
RFaussette@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/23/03 4:20:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gmurphy@raex.com
> writes:
>
> > It occurred to me after sending a recent post, an excerpt of which is
> > below,
> > that there is a fairly clear way of making the necessary distinction between
> > biology &
> > theology. The directions in the OT for the extermination of non-Israelite
> > populations
> > represent one way of guarding against "contamination" of a group's gene pool
> > & thus
> > improving the chances for reproductive success & survival for that group.
> > Yet such
> > tactics are profoundly inconsistent with the later development of Judaism &
> > with
> > Christian theology & ethics.
> >
>
> What later development of Judaism are you talking about? And keep in mind,
> reformed and conservative Jews are a recent phenomenon, until the French
> revolution they were all orthodox. Reference your later development, because your
> argument rests on one.
>
> I have to say, however, you're beginning to see the light.
>
> I don't suppose you realize that the perimeter of the Temple has to be
> cleared on non-Jews? I don't suppose you see the ethnic cleansing of the
> Palestinians going on? We have 'gets' and 'eruvs' established in Brooklyn and Bergen
> county, NJ. That's for separation.
>
> "Profoundly inconsistent" is a strong statement. It's got to rest on
> something. Where's the data for the later development of Judaism?
>
> The Hasidic renewal of the baal shem tov revitalized orthodox Judaism and
> laid the base for zionism which is now the religious agenda holding the entire
> world hostage, even many fundamentalist christians. Read Real Jews by Noah Efron.
>
> rich faussette
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> In a message dated 7/23/03 4:20:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> gmurphy@raex.com writes:
>
> It occurred to me after sending a recent post, an excerpt of
> which is below,
> that there is a fairly clear way of making the necessary
> distinction between biology &
> theology. The directions in the OT for the extermination of
> non-Israelite populations
> represent one way of guarding against "contamination" of a
> group's gene pool & thus
> improving the chances for reproductive success & survival
> for that group. Yet such
> tactics are profoundly inconsistent with the later
> development of Judaism & with
> Christian theology & ethics.
>
>
> What later development of Judaism are you talking about? And keep in
> mind, reformed and conservative Jews are a recent phenomenon, until
> the French revolution they were all orthodox. Reference your later
> development, because your argument rests on one.
>
> I have to say, however, you're beginning to see the light.
>
> I don't suppose you realize that the perimeter of the Temple has to be
> cleared on non-Jews? I don't suppose you see the ethnic cleansing of
> the Palestinians going on? We have 'gets' and 'eruvs' established in
> Brooklyn and Bergen county, NJ. That's for separation.
>
> "Profoundly inconsistent" is a strong statement. It's got to rest on
> something. Where's the data for the later development of Judaism?
>
> The Hasidic renewal of the baal shem tov revitalized orthodox Judaism
> and laid the base for zionism which is now the religious agenda
> holding the entire world hostage, even many fundamentalist christians.
> Read Real Jews by Noah Efron.
Talk about straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel! You immediately zeroed
in on the phrase "the later development of Judaism" which was not essential to my
argument & missed the whole point of what I was trying to say. What I was referring to
was OT passages like those Paul quotes in Romans 15:9-12 & the strong Jewish efforts at
proselytizing before & in Jesus' time (cf. Mt. 23:15) whose benefits the early Christian
mission partly reaped.
But I don't intend to argue that. Try reading what I wrote with omission of the
phrase that got you excited. You probably won't agree with it but at least you'll know
what I said.
Shalom,
George
George L. Murphy
gmurphy@raex.com
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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