Re: Hell & MWH (Was Re: MWH experimental test)

From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Thu Jul 10 2003 - 10:15:45 EDT

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    Where in the Qur'an or Sh'aria did you find any reference to Jesus being
    accepted as the Messiah by Islam?

    Jay willingham

    The following verses seem to reduce Jesus to just another prophet, and not a
    messianic savior.

    ?An-Nisa (women)
    4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of
    Allah
    aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an
    apostle of Allah,
    and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him:
    so
    believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be
    better for you: for
    Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son.
    To Him
    belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a
    Disposer of
    affairs.

    ?An-Nisa (women)
    4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary,
    the
    Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it
    was made
    to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no
    (certain)
    knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him
    not:-

    ?Al-Tauba (the repentance)
    9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the
    son of Allah.
    That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the
    unbelievers of old
    used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the
    Truth!

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Glenn Morton" <glennmorton@entouch.net>
    To: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Dr. Blake Nelson"
    <bnelson301@yahoo.com>
    Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:30 PM
    Subject: RE: Hell & MWH (Was Re: MWH experimental test)

    > George wrote:
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >From: George Murphy [mailto:gmurphy@raex.com]
    > >Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:25 PM
    >
    >
    > > BTW, Muslims believe that Jesus (not Muhammed) is the
    > >Messiah, and in fact that
    > >he will preside at the last judgment. But they don't believe that
    > >he died on the cross
    > >& is the Son of God.
    >
    > I want to clarify something. I am aware that muslims accept Jesus as
    > Messiah. What I was thinking of at the time was that since everything
    > consistent with the laws of physics might take place, there could be a
    > universe, where I am recognized as the Messiah (wrong-headed as that is)
    so
    > it isn't any stretch to have Mohommed fill those shoes either.
    >



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