Re: Sin?

From: RFaussette@aol.com
Date: Wed Jul 09 2003 - 08:54:41 EDT

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    In a message dated 7/8/03 10:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    sbrasile@hotmail.com writes:

    > For the record; I don't "get" the part about the Christian's being
    > displaced
    > as butchers, etc... But I "get" the rest of Rich's post. Although I think
    > his argument is a bit weaker than the obvious quotes in the Bible where it
    > explains homosexual behavior word for word and follows it with "is an
    > abomination to the Lord" and others that lump homosexuals with liars,
    > murderers, idolaters, etc, etc...that will not be permitted into heaven and
    >

    That quote is from Kevin MacDonald's A People That Shall Dwell Alone. He is
    saying that because the Jews of eastern europe had very high birth rates, high
    social cohesion and marginally superior intelligence, they eventually occupied
    all the niches formerly occupied by Christians, particularly in the towns,
    relegating Christians to agricultural occupations (remember Cain and Abel - the
    fruit of the field is not acceptable to God). Their behavior (observing the
    Levitical prohibitions and eschewing agriculture) conforms to scripture exactly.

    The high birth rates and cohesion are due to Leviticus and the superior
    intelligence is from genesis, where you find Abraham and the later patriarchs
    traveling to get wives from their own people rather than marry Canaanites. Note
    that Jacob's son Joseph, whose mother is rachel rises to become councilor to
    the pharoah. Dull eyed Leah's children (Jacob did not want dull eyed Leah for a
    wife - he wanted Rachel) don't have that spectacular success of Rachel's
    children. The lesson is often completely overlooked. They were marrying for
    intelligence. They were pastoralists - animal breeders - so they knew exactly what
    they were doing, because Jacob shows us by breeding his flocks stronger while
    breeding Laban's flocks weaker. That is the allegory. Just as jacob knew not to
    marry dull eyed leah, he knew how to breed the flocks stronger and weaker.

    We tend to associate Jewry with the reformed and conservative Jews who live
    among us, but the orthodox still practice the pure undiluted Old Covenant. I
    have mentioned that it is the ultra orthodox in Israel who live in the
    setttlements in Palestine and refuse to leave. They "rule." Even the Israeli armed
    forces have difficulty getting their cooperation and these orthodox want all
    non-Jews removed from land they occupy). I included the quote from MacDonald to
    demonstrate that in this particular case, avoiding all forbidden Levitical
    behaviors raises the birth rate of a family, tribe, nation or race and promotes
    social cohesion resulting in the Jews spreading over the earth as is suggested by
    the quote in which orthodox Jews displaced christians in the major
    occupations in the towns of eastern europe.

    What is ironic is that this quote is from an evolutionary psychologist who
    has studied Judaism from an evolutionary point of view. He has discovered that
    this high birth rate and displacement of host peoples is the source of the
    tension that results in what we call the anti-semitic cycle. This high birth rate
    is also spoken of in the first few paragraphs of exodus, if you care to take a
    look resulting in the hostility between the egyptians and the Hebrews.

    If you abandon the Levitical prohibitions, your birth rate lowers and you are
    "spewed out of the land." (Lev. 18) This is literally happening right in
    front of us as immigrants are imported to replace our shrunken numbers, but people
    (including most here) have not made the connection between abandoning the Law
    and being spewed out of the land. Deborah had said that we have swarmed all
    over the earth and because she is a good christian and not racially or
    ethnically conscious, she misses the point that people compete with other people for
    territory and that some people displace other people. Ancient orthodox Judaism
    IS ethnically bound and racially segregated because that was the tribal nature
    of the ancient world (see herodotus). We don't normally appreciate that
    because good christians are not racially bound and miss the significance of ancient
    Judaism altogether. It is a breeding strategy that allows Jews to gradually
    displace indigenous people. If you read Judges 1, you see that the slow
    displacement of the Canaanites was probably the way Canaan was occupied by the Jews
    rather than the quick and brutal conquest in Joshua.

    I am not only writing for the few who have been understandably perplexed by
    my apparently unfamiliar approach. I am writing for you all. I understand that
    using sociobiological tools is not yet something people on this list are
    equipped to talk about and my position must be disconcerting to some people who do
    not understand the sociobiological implications of the Levitical prohibitions
    and analyze scripture from a physics, mathematics or geology background. I
    could say that physics and mathematics and geology are the wrong tools to study
    religion, but rather than take that position like some people have taken toward
    me I accept that they'll have to come to that conclusion themselves. I simply
    choose not to participate in those threads. Religion is a personal and social
    phenomenon. It has to do with guiding human behavior and that is how it
    should be studied.
    A few people here have published extensively on religion and the physical
    sciences and have a vested interest in defending their own established turf in
    an effort to keep their perspective in the spotlight, but religion should
    rightfully be studied by social scientists with a background in evolutionary
    theory. Jesus taught us how to live with one another. He didn't teach math or
    geology or physics.

    I came here to share this with you and hope that a few of you will gain that
    glimmer of understanding, so I am willing to bear the barbs of recalcitrants.

    Sondra, your attempt to understand what I am saying and your sensitivity to
    those barbs is a measure of your wisdom. I appreciate your being patient with
    me and giving me a fair shake. Your Christianity is showing.

    rich faussette



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