Re: Historical evidence for Jesus

From: Jim Eisele (jeisele@starpower.net)
Date: Tue Nov 12 2002 - 13:40:50 EST

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    David writes

    >It is very much in keeping with the tenants of Christianity about the
    >fallen nature of man to suppose that many who follow or profess to
    >follow it are not entirely consistent or correct.

    Fair enough. The scary, cultic part is people who assume the
    Bible is accurate and distort every last bit of evidence to keep
    it that way. Christians need to grow up about the Bible if
    Christianity itself is not to become a cult. The problem then
    becomes what is Christianity with a human Bible? Not much.

    >This points out a place at which agnostics and atheists consistently
    >fail to be logical. For example, Jim has been accusing Christianity
    >of being untruthful, yet as an agnostic he has no grounds for
    >requiring truthfulness of anyone. It would be inconsistent of
    >Christianity to be untruthful, but again agnosticism cannot justify
    >consistency as a principle. I know of no moral system not rooted in
    >theism that does not boil down to "I can do what I want and you can
    >do what I want".

    David, normally your logic is sound. I wonder what happened here.
    ANY person has EVERY right to demand truthfulness before they "turn
    their life over" to an invisible God who places large requirements on
    their minds and their lives. I am now less naive than I was before.
    People lie. And Christians grossly distort the truth (not all Christians,
    not all the time). And the Bible has errors.

    Agnostics simply believe the evidence against Christianity outweighs
    the evidence for it. The truth is the truth. I will go a step
    further. Humans will evolve out of Christianity. The evidence is
    just too strong. In church, Christians may be safe. But as soon as
    their "arguments" hit the light of day they evaporate.

    Jim Eisele
    Genesis in Question
    http://genesisinquestion.org



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