RE: Organizations

From: Vandergraaf, Chuck (vandergraaft@aecl.ca)
Date: Wed May 30 2001 - 20:57:39 EDT

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    Kamilla,
     
    Good question! My understanding is that one does not have to be a scientist
    to belong to the Union of Concerned Scientists; one only has to exhibit a
    certain degree of concern and fork over some cash. In general, advocacy
    groups tend to distort the truth by omitting data that does not agree with
    their position and/or recycling statements that have shown to be
    incorrect.(now where have we seen this before?) By their nature, advocacy
    groups want to make a point and, to do that, they have to catch the
    attention of the media and the public and that is best done by making
    outrageous statements and claims and hope that the general public is dumb
    enough to fall for it (we know that media is, by and large, scientifically
    illiterate)
     
    Let me give you a few examples from my area of expertise:
    "highly radioactive plutonium" [most Pu isotopes have a long half life and
    are therefore not very radioactive]
    "plutonium, the most toxic material on earth" [one nuclear scientist had a
    standing offer to eat 1 gram of Pu if a nuclear critic would eat 1 gram of
    nicotine; never had any takers]
    "nobody has shown a way to deal with radioactive waste." [the US and Finland
    are disposing of low-level radioactive wastes and many countries (e.g.,
    Canada, Sweden, Finland) have shown that high-level radioactive waste can be
    disposed of with negligible risk to the population]
    "Chornobyl caused many deaths and many cancers" [there were less than 50
    deaths attributable to the Chornobyl accident]
     
    Very often, these advocacy groups trot out statements like these without
    backing them up. A good test is to look at some of the literature that
    these groups put out and ask where they got the data, and then follow the
    trail back to the source. In many cases, these groups will cite statements
    made by other, like-minded groups. Try it sometime. For example, the
    statement is often bandied about that "at one time, nuclear energy was
    considered too cheap to meter" or words to that effect. My understanding is
    that ONE person ONCE made this statement, yet it is trotted out again and
    again. Another scare tactic to to make connections between something that
    is opposed and something nasty: linking nuclear bombs to nuclear power (we
    don't link gasoline to napalm] or Western nuclear power plants to Chornobyl
    [we don't link the Goodyear blimp to the Hindenburg, or a plastics plants to
    Bhopal].
     
    It may be difficult to believe this but, IMHO, sources of "good information"
    are the experts, who work in a given industry. I would much rather get
    information on the safety of nuclear power plants from nuclear physicists
    and nuclear engineers who know what makes these things tick than from some
    activist who wants to make a point.
     
    You may also want to question people in these advocacy groups very closely
    and tenaciously. For example, if they say that wind power is cheaper than
    nuclear, let them provide the evidence. If they say that the US could abide
    by the Kyoto Protocol by replacing the fossil fuel plants with solar and
    wind, let them show you. At least, let them provide an independent analysis
    of there comparisons.
     
    You may think that these advocacy groups can do no wrong and that it is
    always better the err on the side of caution. I don't agree: if these
    advocacy groups have a skewed vision of risks and benefits, they made well
    force a decision on society that is based on a flawed analysis. Let me give
    you a simple example: it has been argued that chlorination of drinking water
    produces chlorinated hydrocarbons that are potentially harmful. Yet the risk
    of having micro organisms such as E. coli in the water (which led to seven
    deaths in a small town in Ontario a year ago) is greater than a postulated
    and extrapolated risk of contracting cancer as a results of the chlorinated
    hydrocarbons.
     
    Hope this is of some help.
     
    Chuck Vandergraaf

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kamilla ludwig [mailto:kamillal@worldnet.att.net]
    Sent: Wednesday May 30, 2001 4:47 PM
    To: asa@calvin.edu
    Subject: Organizations

    I am wondering which organizations and advocacy groups are the most reliable
    sources of good information.
     
    What can any of the listmembers tell me about, for instance:
     
    Union of Concerned Scientists
    Center for Science in the Public Interest
    WorldWatch Institute
     
     
    I am particularly interested in those organizations that are active in
    public health. Are there any other organizations that might be better
    sources for information and for possible involvement?
     
    Also, before I forget again, I have looked around a bit for some of the
    answers about our earlier discussion in GM foods, particularly the claim
    about Monarch butterfly toxicity. It seems that those claims were wildly
    exaggerated. Just goes to show you can't trust someone just because they
    have a tenured position and a PhD after their name!
     
    Thanks,
     
    Kamilla



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