RE: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]

From: Vandergraaf, Chuck (vandergraaft@aecl.ca)
Date: Sun May 27 2001 - 20:12:24 EDT

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    Vernon,

    Thanks for your response.

    VJ > But would you not concede that God, in His Wisdom, might have
    decided that we all need to be reminded at this time of the fact of His
    Being and Sovereignty? Are you able to point to any portion of the
    Scriptures which would tie His hands in respect of this?

    CV: Yes, but look at the parable about the rich man and the poor man
    (Lazarus) in Luke 16:29-31: where "father Abraham" is quoted as replying to
    a request to have Lazarus warn people on earth: " they do not listen to
    Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises
    from the dead."

    So, even though I would not "tie [God's] hands," I suspect that the parable
    is quite to the point: you cannot convince unbelievers by trotting out
    evidence.

    VJ > It goes without saying that the remarkable confluence of numerical
    phenomena that coincide with the Bible's opening verse are an integral
    part of God's Word; it is therefore difficult, I suggest, to assign
    their existence to 'false Christs' and 'false prophets'. Rather, they
    appear to confirm my earlier suggestion, viz that they have been
    implanted by the Lord to accomplish some significant purpose.

    I had always supposed that discussions arising from the discovery of a
    body of 'hard data' of an unusual kind, and in unusual circumstances, to
    be the 'bread and butter' of real science. However, somewhat naively, I
    had failed to learn from the words of Jer.17:9; it appears inevitable
    that we should assume the guise of an obscurant when confronted with
    self-evident truths that, for us, have unacceptable implications!
     
    CV: I am not qualified to comment on your numerical statements. I don't
    understand your reference to Jer. 17:9 in the context of this discussion.

    Chuck Vandergraaf



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