For me the notion of an Intelligent Designer is almost equivalent to saying
that there is a Creator. I realize that some IDers consider that to be not
necessary but it seems to me that the logical conclusion of an ID leads
invariably to a Creator. Of course, I go beyond that and consider the Creator
to be that described in the Bible. It is clear that once the Creator creates,
then the creation becomes physical and thus accompanied by laws, also created,
that govern the behavior of that which is created. Why is the Designer
intelligent, because we use intelligence to study the creation and
intelligence detects intelligence. It does not seem possible to create
something without laws accompanying that creation. The whole package comes
together, matter/energy and the interactions between the entities created.
Moorad
>===== Original Message From Jonathan Clarke <jdac@alphalink.com.au> =====
>george murphy wrote:
>
>> If they say, "No, C-12 atoms aren't intelligently designed" then
they are
>> saying that God (the Intelligent Designer) didn't plan for C-12 atoms but
they
>> just happened. This would be to surrender the doctrine of creation. If
they
>> answer "Yes, they are intelligently designed" then they have intelligently
>> designed systems whose assembly can be explained (triple alpha process) in
terms
>> of known physical entities & interactions without any reference to the
>> Intelligent Designer.
>> Such a scientific explanation has to take for granted the relative
>> strengths of the strong & EM interactions which in fact have to be "tuned"
rather
>> precisely to allow C-12 to form but not immediately burn through to O-16.
That
>> is one of the anthropic "coincidences" which can be used to argue for
overall
>> cosmic design. But that's not the level of design IDers want.
>> In other words, it seems as if IDers answer either way, the game is
up.
>> & of course that means (unless one wants to invoke a non-Aristotelian
logic) that
>> the game is up whether they answer or not.
>
>MY thoughts exactly!
>
>Jon
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