Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]

From: Robert Miller (rlmiller@gilroy.com)
Date: Sat May 26 2001 - 09:06:23 EDT

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    Hi George,
    I agree George, the thrust of John the Baptist's inquiry is a believer
    suffering from
    doubt, a circumstance and method that is still viable. If we didn't believe
    in miracles
    why would we pray for healing, or a job, or any number of things that we
    ask God to
    intervene on?

                    Bob Miller

    > It's important to observe the context in which Jesus makes this
    appeal
    > to the signs have accompanied his ministry. John isn't an unbeliever or
    an
    > "enquirer." He's pictured as a believer who is struggling with doubts
    about a
    > specific issue, whether or not Jesus is the Messiah. (What the
    understanding of
    > the historical John was is not to the point here.) & Jesus strengthens
    his
    > faith by pointing to the fulfillment of prophecies about the Messianic
    reign -
    > Is.35:3-6 & 61:1 &c. & while some of the things to which Jesus points may
    well
    > have been miracles ("the poor have good news preached to them", e.g.,
    wasn't),
    > their importance lies not in their miraculous character in itself but in
    the
    > fact that they are the expected Messianic signs.
    > For apologetics there is also just the practical question of
    whether the
    > appeal to miracle will
    > _work_. R. Seeberg said nearly a century ago, "The miracle was once the
    basis
    > of all apologetic. It then became an apologetic crutch, and today it is
    > frequently a cross which apologetic must bear." If a person is
    fundamentally
    > skeptical about miracles, it may be unwise to adopt an apologetic approach
    which
    > has to overcome two barriers, first convincing the person that miracles
    are
    > plausible and _then_ that they provide any support to the Christian
    gospel. A
    > straightforward frontal attack on the first barrier will accomplish
    nothing with
    > a person whose basic world view rules out miracles. (E.g., the classic
    Humean
    > argument against the miraculous.) The world view has to be changed first.
    >
    > Shalom,
    >
    > George
    >
    > George L. Murphy
    > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    > "The Science-Theology Dialogue"
    >



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