RE: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]

From: Vandergraaf, Chuck (vandergraaft@aecl.ca)
Date: Thu May 24 2001 - 09:35:20 EDT

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    No argument there, George! I was merely thinking of a hypothetical case
    where Jesus would be walking this earth, today, before the crucifixion. In
    Cana, Jesus was "revealing his glory" by an act that made people sit up and
    take notice. )BTW, even though this act is recorded only in the fourth
    gospel, it had such an impact that we often cite it!). My guess is that, if
    Jesus were to repeat the act of turning water into wine today, we'd
    immediately secure a sample, under full QA protocol, and have it analyzed in
    triplicate, by a number of experts, using the latest techniques, and then
    hold conferences to debate the results [remember the shroud of Turin]. The
    revelation of the glory of Jesus might even be lost in the ensuing debate.

    Chuck

    -----Original Message-----
    From: george murphy [mailto:gmurphy@raex.com]
    Sent: Wednesday May 23, 2001 11:00 PM
    To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
    Cc: 'Lucy Masters'; asa@calvin.edu
    Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]

    "Vandergraaf, Chuck" wrote:
            ...................................

    > If Jesus were to walk among us today, how would he reveal his glory to us?
    > Maybe not by turning water into wine, but possibly by doing something that
    > we would clearly recognize as something out of the ordinary.

            There are a number of signs in the 4th gospel, but the "hour" of
    Jesus'
    glorification is clear: The cross. Any attempt to find glory other than
    through the cross is the work of one who "does not deserve to be called a
    theologian" (Luther). & that provides a partial answer to Bill P's query,
    "What's wrong with miracles?" in a parallel post. An emphasis on miracles
    is
    often - though not always - associated with false theologies of glory.

    Shalom,
     
    George

    George L. Murphy
    http://web.raex.com./~gmurphy/
    "The Science-Theology Dialogue"



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