Respnse to criticism of method for identifying supernatural intervention

From: SHinrichs9@aol.com
Date: Tue May 08 2001 - 00:36:59 EDT

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    Much of the criticism about supernatural claims is warranted. However, this
    article (http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/spntid.htm) has explained how
    supernatural claims can be substantiated in a valid way. This section
    attempts to respond to criticism of the valid approach not the invalid
    approaches.

    Determining all possible natural hypothesis nonetheless ruling them all out
    is a big challenge and it is questionable if it has ever been accomplished.
    However, before assuming it has never been accomplished, first one should
    consider that there are certain types of phenomenon which have a finite limit
    of possible explanations. If characteristics of the physical phenomenon being
    evaluated can be related to logical concepts, then the logical evaluation of
    these concepts could determine all the possible hypothesis as shown by
    hypothetical examples in Section 2.5.1. Section 2.5.1 explains that discrete
    phenomenon can have a finite number of explanation and even when there is an
    infinite amount of possibilities it is still possible in some cases for a
    finite effort to deal with all the possibilities. Section 2.5.2 explains for
    continuous phenomenon supernatural intervention could be implied when the
    phenomenon are outside of the reasonable range of some well-proven natural
    governing principle. Also, section 2.5.3 explains that a finite number of
    categories of hypothesis may be identified which could allow for a general
    conclusion to be made without determining the specific correct hypothesis. If
    the phenomenon is inherently essentially completely indeterministic then
    according to Section 2.5.4 there can be justification for general eliminating
    deterministic natural explanations.

    Critics claim that one can never rule out all the possible explanation
    because there may always be some unknown explanation. Thus, critics claim
    arguments for the supernatural or intelligent design always have a fatal
    weakness due to lack of knowledge of some actual plausible all-natural
    explanation. In most cases, the scientist cannot evaluate all the possible
    hypothesis, so there certainly are many cases where supernatural or
    intelligent design are arguments from ignorance. However, section 2.5 has
    explained how there can be cases where all possible hypothesis can be
    evaluated and section 2.5.1 gives actual hypothetical examples. Thus,
    arguments for the supernatural or intelligent design could consider all
    possible hypothesis; thus, are not necessarily arguments from ignorance. In
    fact no human has such complete knowledge to substantiate that there can be
    no claim where all possible explanation cannot be evaluated. Thus, valid
    criticism would be specific about identify cases where all possible
    explanation cannot be evaluated. To claim in general that it is impossible
    for any supernatural or intelligent design claim to not be an argument from
    ignorance, is just another argument from ignorance.

    Another complaint made about the approach of those making supernatural claims
    is that their approach does not make any predictions; thus; is not
    falsifiable or testable. The most fundamental use of the PE approach does
    make any assumption aside from the presupposition that there is a correct
    theory for explaining the reality being investigated and that reality follows
    the law of no contradiction. If these presuppositions, proven natural
    principals and a set of observation imply through the correct application of
    appropriate rational criterion that the supernatural intervened, then the
    supernatural has been substantiated without any specific predictions. Thus,
    specific predictions about the supernatural may not be necessary to infer
    supernatural intervention. Also, as mentioned in Section 2.6, assumptions
    about the supernatural can be made from which specific falsifiable
    predictions could be developed. The approach proposed in this article is
    falsifiable. According to the approach proposed in this article by just
    showing there is just one plausible possible natural hypothesis a specific
    claim that there is proof for supernatural intervention is falsified.

    The approach proposed in the article is not erroneous, but correct because it
    is based upon PE in the same straight forward way that science attempts to
    use PE. Thus, if PE does not have the potential to imply supernatural
    intervention as proposed in this article, then PE does not apply in general
    which would means there is no logical basis for determining something true
    scientifically.

    Some critics claim since supernatural intervention is not humanly repeatable,
    it cannot be evaluated scientifically. Ability to repeat is very helpful
    because it allows for more testing of the theory, however, just because some
    phenomenon cannot be repeated does not mean it is impossible to
    scientifically verify a theory about the phenomenon. Scientific analysis is
    often applied to unrepeatable historical events such as in astronomy,
    archaeology, forensic science, etc... For example, the big bang occurred once
    within the life of our universe; however, there is plenty of scientific
    reasoning that indicates it is true by evaluating it's after effects. The
    after effects of the supernatural could also be evaluated and if there is
    definitely no natural plausible explanation, then PE implies the supernatural
    intervened.

    There is a legitimate debate concerning probability calculations. However,
    the probability approach proposed in this article is conservative to ensure
    the calculated probabilities are not under estimated. Scientific evaluations
    most always involves probability calculations or estimates. Scientific
    theories are supposed to be falsifiable; thus, if an analytical tool
    involving probability is scientific, then it should have the potential to
    show a low probability for natural hypothesis implying the hypothesis is
    implausible. If all natural hypothesis are implausible, then PE implies the
    supernatural has intervened. Thus, those that claim that PE has no potential
    to substantiate claims about intelligent design or the supernatural, imply
    the scientific probability tools do not really have the potential to imply
    all natural hypothesis false. Thus, they are just making an artificial
    invincible defense to protect their naturalistic presuppositionalism just
    like many theist build artificial invincible defenses to protect their
    theistic presuppositionalism. See Section 5.4 of Ref. 1 for a description of
    presuppositionalism and their associated artificial invincible defenses.

    Just as natural scientist should be given every opportunity to find a natural
    explanation, so should those who are interested in finding a rationale for a
    meaningful explanation for humans, be given every opportunity to find the
    intervention of the supernatural. However, the search for the supernatural
    should still follow an appropriate rationale.



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