Re: verification that makes a difference

From: John W Burgeson (burgytwo@juno.com)
Date: Sat Jan 27 2001 - 14:09:09 EST

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    Glenn wrote: "Lets take that approach. If we verify all of the above,
    like with the flood,
    we haven't ruled out many of the world's religions, including Mormonism
    and
    Bahai. And even some of the eastern religions are plastic enough to
    encompass the events of Jesus' life. So, once again, I don't see any
    better
    way to the verification we want than by the way I am going."

    Aha. I THINK I have finally seen where Glenn is going with this. It is
    not so
    much that he wants more verification of the claims of Christ than he has,
    so far, been able to find. It is also that he wishes to discover a way
    to falsify the claims of other religious bodies, or, at least, show
    thatthey are less reliable.

    I know that Jesus once said (or is reported to have said) "I am the
    way, the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the father except by
    me." And I hold to that claim as truth, myself.

    But that claim does NOT say "Nobody comes to me except through
    a good Presbyterian church (I'm PCUSA), or even "trough a good
    Protestant church," or even "through a good Christian church, even though
    it
    might be Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox." A lot of what passes for
    preaching in some
    church bodies makes assertions like the above, but I don't see myself
    how the leap from Christ's words to the narrow claims above can be
    justified.

    Perhaps there is more than a single road to the father -- yes -- I know
    the relevant
    scripture about "narrow the road." Perhaps the animist in deep Africa,
    who has never heard the gospel,
    can attain heaven through Christ just as we can -- even though he has
    "never heard." I see no
    reason to claim Mormons, though their secondary book has been effectively
    falsified, are
    not welcome into heaven through Christ anyway. Likewise, my YEC friends,
    though their
    origins claims have been falsified. For that matter, who among us will
    claim that his personal knowledge today is,
    as far as it goes, 100% accurate? If nobody -- then what % of accuracy is
    OK to let us in the kingdom? 90%?
    Maybe 50%? 10%? I think the question speaks for itself.

    In the end, Glenn, you are correct in that our faith is based upon faith
    -- a leap of faith. As Taylor writes in THE MYTH OF CERTAINTY, we may be
    wrong, quite wrong. But we must do what we must do -- in my case
    following the Christian path that makes the most sense to me -- that
    conforts me -- in which I have had, if not often, at least some contact
    with the heavenlies.The relative historicity of most of the O.T. just is
    not all that relevant to that position. At least not to me.

    Peace

    Burgy

    Burgy

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