Re: Creation Ex Nihilio and other journals

From: PHSEELY@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 17:31:20 EST

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    Glenn wrote:

    <<If the Bible reflects the man-made cosmology of the 2nd millennium BC, then
    inspiriation had no effect on the factual content of the Scripture.>>

    PS: The theology in Gen 1-11 is the revelation, not the history qua history;
    and the theology is factual. Your statement implies that you are a
    positivist, that only sense-perceivable things are capable of being factual.
    If you begin with the assumption that positivism is true, you can scarcely
    end with a Christian conclusion.

    GM: So where is the evidence of this superiority? The claim that the Bible is
    superior in the theological message to that of other cultures, can only be
    based upon
    the presupposition that the Bible told us a true theology. That is circular
    logic.

    PS: Not so. Humans are made in the image of God; and even the unregenerate
    have God's law written in their hearts (Rom 2:14, 15). In addition, the
    creation testifies to
    God. Consequently regardless of how one wishes to structure grace-will, it is
    possible for the elect to see that the theology of Gen 1-11 is superior to
    the theology to which it is directly opposed, namely the theology of
    Babylonia; and, I think it is possible for even the non-elect to see this.
    Other cultures than Babylonia will offer other contrasts which show the
    superiority of the God of the Bible; but, my own calling is to interpret the
    text in context, others can go from there.

    In the Flood account, even though it is imbedded in the cosmology of the
    times, the theology transcends the theology of the times. And, please note
    that belief in the factuality of the occurrence of the Flood did not make any
    difference to the Babylonians. They fully believed in the historical reality
    of the Flood; but, that gave them no reason to believe in the God of the
    Hebrews. The question that Gen 6-9 posed to them is, Which is the superior
    God?
    1. The head god of Babylonia who could not sleep at night because humans were
    making so much noise, or the God of the Hebrews who neither slumbered nor
    slept? It seems obvious without circular argument that the latter is
    superior.
    2. The head god of Babylonia who tried to destroy all mankind so that he
    could sleep undisturbed, i. e., a self-centered capricious god, or the God of
    the Hebrews who destroyed mankind because of their extreme sin, that is, a
    God of justice? Again, it seems obvious without circular argument that the
    latter is superior.
    3. The gods of Babylonia who were so frightened by the breakdown of nature at
    the Flood that they sat in a corner of the heavenly temple cowering and
    moaning, or the God of the Hebrews who was in complete control from the
    beginning? It seems obvious without circular argument that the latter is
    superior.
    4. The gods of Babylonia who were so hungry because they had received no food
    offerings from humans during the Flood that they crowded around the sacrifice
    of the Babylonian Noah like flies around food, or the God of the Hebrews who
    accepts the sacrifice of Noah, but not only shows no interest in eating, but
    uses the occasion for laying out instructions designed to bless mankind? It
    seems obvious without circular argument that the latter is superior.
    More could be added. But, I think these contrasts alone testify even to the
    unbelieving (whether they repent or not) that the God of the Bible is
    superior to the Babylonian god(s); and this superiority is obvious without
    circular reasoning.

    Paul



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