On creation, biblical creation, and the big bang: comments on Payne's point

From: Ted Davis (tdavis@messiah.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 22 2001 - 09:46:19 EST

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    Bill Payne writes: "As I see it, either God created from nothing, or else
    the universe is eternal (a thought which comes from the late apologist,
    Walter Martin). An if the universe is eternal, then the phrase "In the
    beginning..."
    loses all meaning. How can a Christian possibly avoid a belief, at some
    level, in "unreal history?" Is it not just a matter of where we choose
    to place the boundary between unreal and real history?"

    I agree with the first part: either God created from nothing (as Christians
    concluded from their experience of the resurrection, endorsing the later
    Jewish view of creatio ex nihilo, which Jews formulated following their
    experience of the Exodus and their belief in God's moral supremacy), or the
    universe is eternal. And I agree that God created from nothing.

    HOWEVER, the traditional YEC response is to say that, therefore, the
    universe was created with apparent age. Such a point almost *had* to be
    maintained, prior to the late 20th century, for until then there was no
    evidence I am aware of, within science itself (as opposed to the biblical
    tradition) for a finite age for the universe (as vs the solar system or the
    earth). However, now for the first time in the history of science we
    actually have evidence within science for the "creation" of the universe,
    though it was a very long time ago and thus YECs don't like it. The fact is
    that, now, we can see a consonance (as Ernan McMullin likes to call it)
    between revelation and science on this very point, a consonance never before
    possible. But you have to accept the general validity of BB theory to get
    there.

    Ted Davis



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