Re: Plane ice from Re: Creation Ex Nihilo

From: Bill Payne (bpayne15@juno.com)
Date: Mon Jan 15 2001 - 11:26:08 EST

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    Jonathan,

    Thank you for the informative post.

    On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:39:17 +1100 Jonathan Clarke
    <jdac@alphalink.com.au> writes:

    > However, this does not mean that all is clear about the glaciology
    > of the site. With the described accumulation on site and the
    > compaction rate from the Camp Century ice core, the
    > aircraft should be buried to a depth of about 5 m. Clearly the
    > aircraft are much deeper than they should be. I don't know why this
    > is the case. [snip]

    > Possibly snowdrifts accumulating round the aircraft were a factor.

    This might be a factor initially, but I would think after the planes were
    buried a few meters the drifts collecting because of the interference of
    the planes would disappear.
       
    > As you suggest, most likely some glaciological/meterological process is
    the
    > answer. it could involve flow, lower compaction ratios, or higher
    > than average accumulation. What it might be I have no idea.

    If 2 m of snow accumulate per year, and the planes were down from 1942 to
    1992, then 2 m * 50 years = 100 m of dry snow with a density of 0.01. In
    a year and at a depth of 2 m the dry snow becomes firn with a density of
    0.4, which becomes glacial ice with density of 0.8 at 60 m and 0.91 at
    100 m. Let's say the average density of the snow/ice from 0 to 80 m is
    0.6. Then the snow with a density of 0.01 compacts 60 times to become
    ice with an average density of 0.6 (0.01/0.6 = 60). So in 50 years we
    should get 100 m of snow which compacts 60 times to 1.7 m in 50 years. I
    think you said there should be 5 m of cover instead of 1.7 m. What did I
    do wrong? Or were you just ballparking the number?

    If the rate of burial *were* to be found to be accurate ("higher than
    [recent] average accumulation"?) at 82 m per 50 years, then ice builds at
    about 1.5 m per year, and the 3000 m ice sheet took only 2000 years to
    form. No wonder the YECs like this one.

    Bill



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