Re: Creation Ex Nihilo

From: Jeff Witters (jeffwitters@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 15 2001 - 11:07:42 EST

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    Paul,

    I thought this might help with the "how exactly" question regarding
    Greenland ice cores and the Flood (tho I, like the others, am not a
    climatologist).

    > there was no global flood in the last few
    > 1000 years. This is on top of other evidence. >>
    >
    >I would like to know exactly how ice cores show this.
    >
    >Thank you.
    >
    >Paul

    There is a fascinating article in American Scientist (Jul-Aug 99, Rapid
    Climate Change, Kendrick Taylor, p. 320-327) that discusses the utility of
    the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps as well as some high-resolution ocean
    sediment sites for reconstructing paleoclimatic records over as much as the
    the last 500,000 years. The main focus of the article is on a sudden change
    in climate about 11,700 ybp precipitated by a shift in the climatic dynamic
    equalibrium to a new set point (ie, from cold to warm) in a period of 20
    yrs.

    To be fair, the author (chief scientist for NSF's WAISCORES program) does
    not discuss the Flood, but then I suppose there would be no reason given
    that all that ice is supposed to have formed SINCE the Flood. However, I'm
    off track.

    "How do the ice cores show this?"
         "We can identify annual layers in the ice because the
    concentration of sea salts, nitrate and mineral dust and the gas
    content in winter snow are different than in summer snow." p.320

         "General patterns of atmospheric circulation can be reconstructed
    by using tracers such as soluble chemicals (for example, nitrate,
    ammonium, sodium and calcium) and rare earth elements in insoluble dust
    particles to determine how wind moved air and dust from the source
    regions for these compounds to the drilling site." p. 320

    One could argue that climatic reconstructions are bogus because based on an
    _assumption_ that the origin of the layers is annular cycling. In
    isolation, annular cycling can be shown to be a conclusion, rather than an
    assumption, based upon observation. Its power comes about in the
    corroborating lines of evidence which demonstrate that ice core sampling is
    a reliable way to reconstruct paleoclimates.

    By implication, the proposition of a global Flood is undermined by the
    incontrovertable (for practical purposes) data showing yearly record of
    climate for at least 100,000 ybp., given that most YEC "models" I am aware
    of put the ice deposition of the ice within the last 1000 yrs.

    But then I am, as some would say, just a brainwashed biologist. :)

    Jeff Witters

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