Re: Scientific method for substantiating supernatural claims

From: SHinrichs9@aol.com
Date: Thu Jan 11 2001 - 09:29:22 EST

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    > I respond only to make it clear that I did not exhibit unchristian
    behavior in publicly speaking so bluntly. My post was to you alone, not to
    the ASA list. Making private posts public is considered improper if not
    unethical.
                    David F. Siemens, Jr.

    I made the post public because you were digressing into unjustified useless
    stereotyping and name-calling. My past experience has been people who make
    such digressions are less likely to do so if their comments are made public.
    I have no interest in such digressions and prefer to keep the discussion
    constructive; thus, I prefer to carry the discussion in public rather than
    private. Such was my motivation which is not unethical. In fact your final
    response indicates you do not prefer your insults to be made public so you
    confirmed my intuition.

    Excerpt from Section 6.8 of http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/reason.htm
    "Often people use adjectives to characterize others in a way that is not
    accurate, resulting in a misleading characterization of that person. Sometime
    this is done intentionally to unfairly dismiss or misrepresent the person.
    Other times it is done unintentionally out of a misunderstanding or false
    information. The adjectives are often general stereotypes with a negative
    tone such as "ridiculous", "old-fashioned" or "backwards". General
    stereotypes such as these typically mean quite different things to people and
    most of the time there are much better ways to describe a person without
    adding negative characterizations that may not be accurate. A technique often
    used is to assign a negative adjective to a position that insults the other
    to make it sound as if they have no credibility and should be given no
    respect. For example, a politician may characterize a position that goes
    against his as arrogant or selfish, when he may be just wanting to maintain
    his positions for essentially just his own selfish political gain. Certainly
    there are times when for ease of communication stereotypes or general
    adjective should be used. However, they should be used in a way that is
    accurate and do not mislead, otherwise they are confusing and hinder the
    rational process of accurately determining the truth about people."

    The approach presented in http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/spntid.htm uses
    proof by elimination a key logical principle used in science. My method of
    using proof by elimination for substantiating supernatural claims allows
    claims for the supernatural to be dismissed by just proposing that there is
    possible hypothesis that has not been shown implausible. The approach
    provides a basis to critic and potentially dismiss claims because it puts a
    priority on the natural explanation if it is successful and requires
    probability estimates to be conservative; thus, the approach is falsifiable
    and deserved to be considered as scientific.

    In Section 4.1.2 of http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/spntid.htm I state
    objective means for rejecting more specific claims from sacred religious
    books. I list the historical criterion in Section 3.4 of
    http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/reason.htm. Thus, I do present valid means
    for showing religious beliefs false. So your comments that my approach allows
    my beliefs to be immune from evidence is not justified. In fact, I have
    changed my belief that species did not share a common ancestor to species do
    share a common ancestor as argued in
    http://members.aol.com/SHinrichs9/descent/descent.htm.



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