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>From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Allen Roy
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:33 AM
>To: asanet
>Subject: Re: Unwillingness to listen
>>From: Glenn Morton
>>From: Allen Roy
>>>Jesus said:
>>>Matt 24:30 "At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the
sky, and all the nations of the earth will
>>>mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky,
with power and great glory." .....
>
>>>vs. 36-39 "No one knows about that day or our, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As
>>>it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of
Man. For in the days before the flood, people
>>>were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day
Noah entered the ark; and they knew
>>> nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all
away. That is how it will be at the coming
>>>of the Son of Man."
>>Allen, no where in the above does it say that the flood was global, and no
where in the above does it say that the
>>earth is young. It says there was a flood. There are few adjectives here.
This can't be your source.
>"People were eating and drinking...." How many people? 5? 500? 5000?
5,000,000?
>"And took them all away..." How many were taken away? All 5? All 500?
All 5000? All 5,000,000?
GRM:The Bible doesn't say how many. Thus one is perfectly free to choose the
number. One doesn't have to choose a large humber at all.
>
>In the context, "all nations" will see Jesus come. Is that "all nations"
in the Americas? "all nations" of Africa? or "all
>nations of the world?
GRM:The Greek word for 'all' is different than the Hebrew word for all. The
Bible says that in Joseph's time a famine came upon all the world. And that
all the world came to buy grain from Egypt. That is not a universal 'all'.
The Australian aborigines didn't come to Egypt, the American Indians didn't
come to Egypt. All in that context doesn't mean ALL no matter how much you
want the flood to be global the Bible doesn't require it.
The word translated as 'earth' is more often used as 'land'. If the flood
came over all the land, it is different than if the flood were on all of
planet earth. But because land is more often used locally, we should
translate and interpret Genesis 6-9 as a local event.
>The second coming will be like it was at the advent of the Flood (see the
last line of verse 39). All nations of the world
>will see Jesus come just as all the people of the world were all taken away
in the flood. Unless the entire population of
>the entire pre-flood world was concentrated within a small region, it is
safe to conclude that the flood was global.
GRM: It is like the flood in that people will be unsuspecting. It doesn't
require that it be the very same number of people.
>Is this the only source? No. All inclusive terminology is used throughout
Gen. 6-8.
GRM: see above on Genesis 6-9
>It is possible, of course, to choose to restrict the set of those thing
qualifying to be in the all inclusive
>terminology. However, the incentive to do so does not come from the context
of the Bible, but from outside influences
>such interpretations of reality within Naturalism.
GRM: Do you believe the Bible teaches a flat earth? Do you believe the
earth teaches geocentrism? The incentive to change the interpretation comes
from outside influences. If you believe in a round earth and heliocentric
universe, then you are being very inconsistent here. If it is evil to allow
outside influences to restrict the locality of the flood, then it is equally
evil to believe in a round earth. Indeed there are some YECs like Hansen
who believe in a geocentric solar system.
glenn
see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
for lots of creation/evolution information
anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
personal stories of struggle
Allen
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