Re: Miracles vs. "natural law" (Formerly: Creation Ex Nihilio and other journals)

From: Brian T. Greuel (bgreuel@jbu.edu)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 14:16:57 EST

  • Next message: Moorad Alexanian: "Re: Miracles vs. "natural law" (Formerly: Creation Ex Nihilio andother journals)"

    Allen,

    Are you suggesting that God only works miracles through overt violations of the
    natural laws that He created? Even with that definition, it seems to me that
    God's intervention to alter the path of a single asteroid (or cluster of
    asteroids) so that it strikes the earth constitutes a violation of natural
    law--i.e. a miracle. Whether you invoke the hand of God moving the asteroids
    out of their normal path or have God suddenly zap a large body into existence to
    exert force on the asteroids so that they deviate from their normal path, either
    way you're talking about a violation of natural law.

    I would submit, however, that God also works "miracles" by making certain
    low-probability "random" events (from a "naturalistic" point of view) happen at
    specific times in order to accomplish His purposes. In other words, I believe
    that God can perform miracles without appearing to violate the very natural laws
    that He created. The key is the timing of the events.

    --Brian Greuel

    Allen Roy wrote:

    > From: Glenn Morton <glenn.morton@btinternet.com>
    > > But the YEC pots are telling God what he should do. They are telling him
    > > that he had to have a natural explanation (see Allen Roy's views of the
    > > flood over the past few days, and thus they are saying that God didn't
    > > intervene in Noah's flood). ......
    >
    > I have been saying that the events of the flood followed the natural laws
    > which God invented. I believe that the flood was a catastrophe that was
    > initiated by God in causing a string or large cluster of asteroids to strike
    > the earth. God directed and or altered the path of the asteroid's orbit to
    > intersect with the orbit of the earth. The earth (and moon) passed through
    > the asteroid cluster resulting in many impacts in quick succession for a
    > period of time (the Bible indicates 150 days). The natural results, within
    > the laws of nature as invented by God, would be a global catastrophe
    > consisting of thousands of events. After the last of the impacts, the globe
    > will slowly equal equilibrium and it will again become inhabitable.
    >
    > The Bible does not call the Flood a miracle, so why should we?
    >
    > Allen



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