Re: Unwillingness to listen

From: Allen Roy (allenroy@peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue Jan 09 2001 - 00:08:38 EST

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      From: David F Siemens
      What a crock of sh--! I'm trained as a philosopher and recognize the assumptions that underlie various systems and activities. I am not a naturalist or materialist, and do not build my philosophy of science on these assumptions. I am uncompromisingly a creationist and insist on the continual need of all creation for God's total support. However, on this basis I have to agree wholeheartedly with Glenn. He discovered, as I did, that YEC wanted a naturalistic explanation for geology and the Flood. To do this, they selected only those matters in empirical data and science that fit their predetermined results, and distorted and misrepresented the rest. They further come up with cockamamie suggestions in a hopeless attempt to make their inanities plausible.

      "What a crock of sh--!" to quote a noted philosopher. A "naturalistic explantion" and Naturalism are two vastly different propositions. God invented nature and how it functions, so to look for explanations which follows God's laws of nature is entirely proper. Naturalism claims that God did not invent nature and it's laws, but that they are inherant in nature. Flood catastrophist Creationists reject explanations of the natural world which have been interpreted within Naturalism. Why? Because Flood catastrophists know, from the Bible, that there was a global catastrophe. They need not prove the flood, but rather, they interpret the natural world within the truth that the event is sure and proven by the words of Jesus. Compared to the cockamamie speculations and inanities I often read on this net, Woodmorappe's research and appealing logical determinations are exceedingly refreshing and sound.

      I thank God that, when I first discovered the duplicity, he held me true. He showed me that the problem was not with his Word, but with what people claimed it said. That is what Glenn found also.

      I thank God that he has shown the truth of his word to anyone who will read it. The problems is not with the Bible, but with people who think they know better than the writers of the Bible who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

      Finally, let me bring Augustine's statement up to date and sharpen it. I hold that YEC has sent a multitude of people to hell. They have believed that the Bible teaches the YEC nonsense and rejected God's Word because of it. Therefore I hold that YEC is one of Satan's master strokes.

      To repharase a noted philosopher:
      OEC or Theistic Evolutionism has sent a multitude of people to damnation. They have believed that they know better than what the Bible teaches and reinterpret God's word because of it. Therefore Theistic Evolutionism is one of Satan's master strokes.



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