Allen,
What a crock of sh--! I'm trained as a philosopher and recognize the
assumptions that underlie various systems and activities. I am not a
naturalist or materialist, and do not build my philosophy of science on
these assumptions. I am uncompromisingly a creationist and insist on the
continual need of all creation for God's total support. However, on this
basis I have to agree wholeheartedly with Glenn. He discovered, as I did,
that YEC wanted a naturalistic explanation for geology and the Flood. To
do this, they selected only those matters in empirical data and science
that fit their predetermined results, and distorted and misrepresented
the rest. They further come up with cockamamie suggestions in a hopeless
attempt to make their inanities plausible.
I thank God that, when I first discovered the duplicity, he held me true.
He showed me that the problem was not with his Word, but with what people
claimed it said. That is what Glenn found also.
Finally, let me bring Augustine's statement up to date and sharpen it. I
hold that YEC has sent a multitude of people to hell. They have believed
that the Bible teaches the YEC nonsense and rejected God's Word because
of it. Therefore I hold that YEC is one of Satan's master strokes.
Dave
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:48:26 -0700 "Allen Roy" <allenroy@peoplepc.com>
writes:
Glenn Morton wrote:
"Having jumped back onto the list today, I am jumping into the middle of
this, but that won't stop me. As a former young-earth creationist of
some infamy, I can tell you why I didn't listen. I placed my
interpretation of the Bible as the utmost metaphysical truth. By doing
that, all contradictory data simply had to be wrong. Thus when faced with
clear evidence and logic that my viewpoint was wrong, I did the only
reasonable thing--I ignored the data or assumed that there was some way
to discount and ignore it. There was also an emotional reason not to
listen to contradictory arguments. They challenged my world view and
made me extremely uncomfortable. Since I could not doubt my ultimate
metaphysical truth--the YEC paradigm without thinking I would become an
atheist which I didn't want to do--I would flee from the truth."
No, you were not faced with clear evidence, you were faced with
interpretations of data from within the religious philosophy of
Naturalism. You had not been educated in the pervasiveness of the
underlying assumptions within which all standard geologic interpretations
are being done. You had not been shown the religious nature of
Naturalism and its corollaries of Abiogenesis and Actualism (i.e.
non-uniform Uniformitarianism) within which geologic science usually
functions. You had been taught the falsehood that Science stands alone
without philosophical assumptions.
In geology, interpretation of sedimentary rock according to the
actualistic assumption that there are ONLY 3 allowable depositional
environments -- marine, non-marine and transitional -- automatically
precludes interpretation within a global flood catastrophe environment.
Thus all those "facts" of geology demand that there could not be a global
flood catastrophe.
Creationists START with the assumptions that God's natural laws are not
violated and that there was a global catastrophic event as told us by
God. Within these assumptions, Creationary geological science studies
and interprets nature's facts.
Yes, the Bible is the utmost metaphysical truth because we know we can
trust the God of the Bible to tell us the truth. Naturalism is a
metaphysical belief based on blind faith in the rationality of human
imagination. Abiogensis and Actualism must be true because according to
Naturalism, nature -- matter, energy, etc. -- is all there is. There is
no God. There is no Creator. There is no one but us to tell us about
the past.
We have the choice to believe God and the Bible and interpret nature
within it's assumptions, or we can choose to believe in Naturalism and
interpret nature within it's assumptions. You were not fleeing from the
"Truth," you were fleeing from false religious teachings.
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