Re: Creation Ex Nihilio and other journals

From: David F Siemens (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Sat Jan 06 2001 - 23:02:38 EST

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    I must disagree with Allen's claim, for YEC only accept those areas of
    physics which fit their purpose. For example, I understand that the
    contemporary work in quantum physics explains radioactivity and the
    reason why nuclear disintegration is describable in terms of half-lives
    very precisely. As a result, the various measurements of age via
    radioactive breakdown are accurate within small error. But YEC reject
    this entire area of physics, even though it is confirmed in the operation
    of every nuclear reactor.

    I contend that I do not have the option of deciding which of God's
    physical laws I will accept because they agree with what I want to
    believe, and which I will reject. This is why I was forced to jettison
    the YEC view I had been taught. My respect for scripture also forced me
    to reject day-age interpretations of Genesis 1.

    The list of other scientific matters rejected by YEC is, unfortunately,
    more extensive--the source and cooking of petroleum deposits, the amount
    of vegetable material in coal, massive halite deposits that are
    incompatible with deposition by a recent Flood, the size of the universe
    (absorption might explain dimming Cepheid variables and novae, but can't
    produce the Doppler shift), the magnetic pattern of rocks on either side
    of the mid-ocean ridges, etc. Either God misleads or YEC lie.

    Dave

    On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:54:01 -0700 "Allen Roy" <allenroy@peoplepc.com>
    writes:
    From: Glenn Morton <glenn.morton@btinternet.com>
    > But creationists use naturalism when it suits them. They almost always
    come
    > up with some naturalistic mechanism for a global flood--i.e. a vapor
    canopy,
    > continents sinking, runaway continental drift, meteor impact, the
    collapse
    > of an ice canopy. They never, ever simply say, "God produced a
    miraculous
    > flood".
    >
    > They always allow that t the laws of physics would be the same during
    the
    > flood, with water pushing big blocks of rock around and eroding things
    as
    > normal floods do. They assume that the laws of bouyancy were in place
    > allowing the ark to float. They assume that the laws of life applied in
    that
    > if terrestrial animals are covered with water they will drown. They
    assume
    > that there was a naturalistic reason for the lack of a rainbow before
    the
    > flood--i.e. it never rained. They assume

    One does not have to accept the philosophy of naturalism to accept the
    constancy of the laws of physics. God invented, design and made the
    universe and all it's laws. And while God may, if he wished to, do
    things outside of the laws which he originally set up, Creationists do
    not believe that the Flood was something which would need to be outside
    the ordinary way of things. There is no reason to make recourse to
    "miraculous" events. Creationists do not reject or accept naturalism if
    ever they wish. Creationists accept the laws of Creation which God
    invented -- the physical laws and such -- and completely reject the
    philosophy of naturalism. Looking for mechanisms to cause a flood is not
    tantamount to looking to the philosophy of naturalism for answers. It is
    looking for explanations within the way of things as designed by God.

    Allen
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