Re: Dembski: 14 questions

From: Doug Hayworth (hayworth@uic.edu)
Date: Tue Jun 20 2000 - 12:13:34 EDT

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    Sorry for the screwed up line breaks; let me try again...

    For what it's worth, I concur with what Keith, Howard, and David have said
    so far about the Dembski Intelligent Design (ID) questions. I haven't read
    much ID stuff, so I'm not sure about a couple of points. Perhaps you folks
    can clarify.

    1) Do ID investigators directly state what their overall objective
    is? Which of the following is it?

    ...a) To determine IF there are patterns of complexity CONSISTENT with
    prior design by an intelligent agent.
    ...b) To determine IF there are patterns of complexity that CAN ONLY be
    explained as prior design by an intelligent agent.
    ...c) To demonstrate THAT there are patterns of complexity CONSISTENT with
    prior design by an intelligent agent.
    ...d) To demonstrate THAT there are patterns of complexity that CAN ONLY be
    explained as prior design by an intelligent agent.

    2) Do ID scientists clearly state whether chemical/biological evolution by
    natural processes (which, to use Howard's language, assumes that the
    universe has a robust formational economy) is the mutually exclusive
    opposing theory to ID as they define it?This certainly seems to be the way
    ID is publicized. As I understand it, if ID pits itself against natural
    evolution, they will be faced with a major problem when it comes to
    mechanism. Even though particular cases can be cited in which our
    knowledge of all the evolutionary steps involved is incomplete, all data on
    mechanisms relating to descent and modification support evolution as
    understood by the general scientific community. We know how inheritance
    works; we know that DNA mutates; we know that selection and drift occur;
    etc, etc; And all these things are "random" and "probabilistic" within the
    constraints of the environment. Thus, when patterns of morphological or
    molecular variation (complexity) are interpreted evolutionarily, they are
    done as extrapolations of KNOWN mechanisms. And these extrapolations are
    not done lightly or blindly. I know that systematists and molecular
    evolutionists are very careful to make sure interpretations of evolutionary
    relationships have "statistical" support.

    What known (or even possible) mechanisms does ID have to support it? If
    IDologists determine a series of formational steps (Dembski's questions
    3-5), doesn't that support natural evolution rather than ID? And if the
    determine that something was designed by virtue of there being no
    mechanisms that can explain it, isn't that just a Gap argument that leaves
    them without an epistemological leg to stand on?

    Sincerely,
    Doug
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