Re: Water's dipole

From: glenn morton (mortongr@flash.net)
Date: Thu Apr 27 2000 - 16:38:27 EDT

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    From: "Allan Harvey" <aharvey@boulder.nist.gov>
    Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:58 PM

    > That does bring up a related question I have wondered about. I get the
    > impression that the biochemistry of animal life is tuned to a fairly
    narrow
    > range of temperatures -- make things hotter by 20 K or so (don't hold me
    to
    > that number) and enzymes and proteins break down, make things colder by 20
    > K and reactions don't go fast enough. To what extent is that temperature
    > range a fundamental constraint, or is it conceivable that our biochemistry
    > could work (just with slightly different enzymes, etc.) at substantially
    > different temperatures? If we still could have evolved if liquid water
    was
    > 50 K hotter or 50 K colder, then I think the anthropic argument on water's
    > dipole moment pretty much vanishes.

    The answer to your question is yes life can live at very hot temperatures.
    There are those who now think life first evolved underground, at the ridge
    vents in the bottom of the ocean. Why? Some of the oldest microbes are
    thermophiles. Here is what Paul Davies says:

    "Shock finds that the available energy is maximized at around 100-150
    degrees Celsius, precisely the temperature range in which hyperthermophiles
    live. Not only can these organisms readily tap into the vast reserves of
    chemical and thermal energy provided, they can even gain energy by
    fabricating simple organic compounds. The energy released may then be used
    to pay for thermodynamically unfavorable reactions like peptide synthesis.
    Shock estimates that in a typical vent life can exploit this thermodynamic
    bonanza by creating biomass at the prodigious rate of two and a half
    kilograms per hour." Paul Davies, The Fifth Miracle, (New York: Simon and
    Schuster, 1999), p. 174

     "When hyperthermophiles were first discovered, most microbiologists were
    inclined to dismiss them as aberrations-weird organisms that must have
    somehow invaded peculiar high-temperature evidence points to the opposite
    conclusion: the earliest micro-organisms were all hyperthermophiles, and
    only later did some adapt to life at lower temperatures. In certain
    locations beneath the Earth's surface, pockets remain where conditions
    resemble those of very long ago." Paul Davies, The Fifth Miracle, (New York:
    Simon and Schuster, 1999), p. 177

    "The theory that life began hot and deep was first mooted in 1981 by Jack
    Corliss of the University of Maryland, and popularized by Tommy Gold in a
    trail-blazing paper published in 1992." Paul Davies, The Fifth Miracle, (New
    York: Simon and Schuster, 1999), p. 177-178

    "Phylogenetic trees of life typically reveal that the extant
    hyperthermophilic bacteria and archaeal species, which inhabit environments
    of extreme temeperatures, have some of the deepest and oldest branches, and
    it is consequently a widely endorsed textbook view that the common ancestor
    of life was adapted to hot conditions.
     "The proportion of all nucleotides that are either guanine or cytosine (the
    G+C content) of ribosomal RNA is a reliable indicator of the environmental
    temperature of an organism, so an estimate of the G+C content of the root of
    the tree of life provides evidence for the environmental conditions that
    prevailed when the common ancestor to life arose." Mark Pagel, "Inferring
    the Historical Patterns of Biological Evolution," Nature, 401(1999):877-884,
    p.879

    "The official temperature record is currently held by an organism known as
    Pyrodictium occultum that reportedly emerged fit and well after autoclaving
    at temperatures of 121 degrees Celsius for an hour. However, John Parkes of
    Bristol University claims to have evidence of microbes living at
    temperatures as high as 169 degrees Celsius." Paul Davies, The Fifth
    Miracle, (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1999), p. 167

    glenn

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