Re: Natural and Supernatural (was Chance and Selection)

From: Richard Wein (rwein@lineone.net)
Date: Wed Dec 20 2000 - 06:27:21 EST

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    From: Chris Cogan <ccogan@telepath.com>

    [responding to Bertvan]

    >I assume you mean *your* imagination? Let us suppose you had some *other*
    >kind of free will. Suppose you are faced with choosing between A and not-A
    >as an action and some other action (or inaction). Suppose, in your
    >understanding, A is what you would rationally choose to do, because all the
    >not-A actions that you can think of mean the deaths of everyone you love.
    >Suppose, for reasons that are not significant here, you are faced with this
    >same kind of choice several times in succession. Mostly, you choose
    >correctly, and everything turns out alright. The lives of those you love
    >are saved.
    >
    >But, because you have *indeterministic* free will, you are free to choose
    >some not-A course of action, and, one time, despite knowing how bad it is,
    >your free will leads you to choose a not-A action and all of your loved
    >ones are killed.
    >
    >Now, of course, if you were able *consistently* to act rationally, you
    >would always choose the A course of action in each instance. But, the
    >problem is, *that* would be *predictable*. The only way for free will to be
    >unpredictable in an absolute sense is for you to sometimes choose the wrong
    >course of action, even though you know it's wrong, you are not emotionally
    >compelled to do it, you have no childhood trauma causing you to do it, or
    >*any* other such factors. You just freely choose wrongly, knowingly dooming
    >all your loved ones to death.
    >
    >This is an *inevitable* consequential implication of the concept of free
    >will as acausal, indeterministic, absolutely unpredictable choosing.

    I don't see the relevance of this. Of course indeterministic free will means
    that we will sometimes act irrationally. And the reality is that people
    often *do* act irrationally. So this is hardly evidence against
    indeterminism. It's not evidence *for* it either, since irrational actions
    are also consistent with deterministic decision-making.

    Richard Wein (Tich)
    --------------------------------
    "Do the calculation. Take the numbers seriously. See if the underlying
    probabilities really are small enough to yield design."
      -- W. A. Dembski, who has never presented any calculation to back up his
    claim to have detected Intelligent Design in life.



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