Re: Eight respects in which evolution is neither intelligent *nor* random

From: DNAunion@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 04 2000 - 18:41:31 EST

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    >>>Chris Cogan: ...

     1. Selection is not random. This is *blatantly* obvious...

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    DNAunion: Here is something Darwin had to say about this.

    [quote]"It may be well to remark that with all beings there must be much
    fortuitous destruction, which can have little or no influence on the course
    of natural selection."[/quote] (Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (By
    Means of Natural Selection Or The Preservation of Favored Races in the
    Struggle for Life), The Modern Library, 1998, p116)

    DNAunion: That's worth repeating: "It may be well to remark that with all
    beings there must be much fortuitous destruction, which can have little or no
    influence on the course of natural selection." Darwin continued:

    [quote]"For instance a vast number of eggs or seeds are annually devoured,
    and these could be modified through natural selection only if they varied in
    some manner which protected them from their enemies. Yet many of these eggs
    or seeds would perhaps, if not destroyed, have yielded individuals better
    adapted to their conditions of life than any of those which happened to
    survive."[/quote] ((Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (By Means of
    Natural Selection Or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for
    Life), The Modern Library, 1998, p116-117)

    DNAunion: So many of the young that would grow up to be more fit are lost by
    blind, random death while still young. Darwin continued:

    [quote]"So again a vast number of mature animals and plants, whether or not
    they be the best adapted to their conditions, must be annually destroyed by
    accidental causes which would not be in the least degree mitigated by certain
    changes of structure of constitution which would in other ways be beneficial
    to the species." (Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (By Means of Natural
    Selection Or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life),
    The Modern Library, 1998, p116-117)[/quote]

    DNAunion: Ditto - death determined by chance, not fitness. I will just
    provide the rest of the quote I clipped without further comment.

    [quote]"But let the destruction of the adults be ever so heavy, if the number
    which can exist in any district be not wholly kept down by such causes, - or
    again let the destruction of eggs or seeds be so great that only a hundredth
    or a thousandth part are developed, - yet of those which do survive, the best
    adapted individuals, supposing that there is any variability in a favourable
    direction, will tend to propagate their kind in large numbers than the less
    well adapted. [b]If the numbers be wholly kept down by the causes just
    indicated, as will often have been the case, natural selection will be
    powerless in certain beneficial directions[/b]; but this is no valid
    objection to its efficiency at [b]other[/b] times and in [b]other[/b] ways;
    for we are far from having any reason to supposed that many species ever
    undergo modification and improvement at the same time in the same area."
    (emphasis added, Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (By Means of Natural
    Selection Or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life),
    The Modern Library, 1998, p116-117)[/quote]



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