Is Intelligent Design Creationism?

From: li dorris (dorrisli@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 03 2000 - 19:28:19 EDT

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    I've pursued this question on the ARN forum some time ago. In light of a
    recent post by DNAunion, I'd like to make some comments:

    On what basis does DNAunion claim that intelligent design is not
    creationism? In a recent post he/she said the following:

    "Most anti-ID people at this site (Susan is one example) conflate ID with
    Creationism - doing so is wrong. Versions of Directed Panspermia fit into ID
    and do not invoke any supernatural beings or supernatural processes. A
    civilization of ETIs just 100 years more advanced than ourselves would
    likely be able to create life from non-life, and spacecraft to seed other
    planets (we ourselves are planning to transport bacteria and algae to Mars
    during our proposed tera forming of the red planet, and in fact, we already
    have transported bacteria to the moon, left them for over a year, and then
    retrieved them!)"

    I am guessing that in order for a person to be a 'creationists,' not only do
    you have to believe you were created or designed, but the creator or
    designer must (by necessity) also be supernatural. Such a definition is
    problematic at best.

    For one, the term, 'creationist' is not limited to those who believe they
    were created or designed by a *supernatural* intelligence. For example,
    Raelian creationists believe that life was engineered by aliens who are
    technologically advanced to manipulate genes, DNA, etc. They exclude any
    supernatural or spiritual possibilities from the outset and are therefore
    referred to as, 'atheist creationists'. That they do not believe the
    creator or designer is a spiritual being does not automatically mean it is
    not 'creationism.'

    Secondly, I would also like to point out that Philip Johnson broadly
    describes a creationist as "simply a person who believes that the world (and
    especially mankind) was designed, and exists for a purpose." I think that
    under this definition, intelligent design certainly qualifies.

    Of course, one could easily look in Webster's dictionary (as Mike Gene once
    did) and point out the fact that Webster's requires us to interpret a
    "creationist" as a religious belief or endeavor. The definition says,

    "…a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and
    the world were created by God out of nothing and usu. in the way described
    in Genesis -- compare evolution"

    If a person, like Mike Gene, wants to hold to this definition, they'll have
    to keep in mind that it is wholly inadequate and completely misleading. It
    does not allow for the wide varieties of creationism in existence today,
    such as Islamic creationism, Native American Creationism, or for that
    matter, Raelian creationism. It's simply a poor and inaccurate definition.

    Some intelligent design advocates object to being called a 'creationist'
    because people might take the word to mean Biblical literalist. Behe has
    made this argument in the past, and certainly he does not deserve to be
    called a Biblical literalist.

    Even so, this is no reason to say that ID is not creationism -on the basis
    that some people are ill informed or that they make sweeping
    generalizations. Even though DNAunion is right to say that intelligent
    design need not be interpreted in terms of *religious* motivation, it is not
    true that creationism is *only* a religious endeavor. To say that
    creationism *must be* religious in nature is an opinion that is unsupported
    by even the most vocal of ID advocates.

    Lisa

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