Dembski and calls for examples

From: Wesley R. Elsberry (welsberr@inia.cls.org)
Date: Sun Oct 01 2000 - 19:19:39 EDT

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    I wrote earlier:

    But of more immediate interest is Dembski's identification of
    the assertion to be established, "that living things exhibit
    actual specified complexity". Dembski asserts in "Science and
    Design" and later in "Intelligent Design" that this is so, but
    as Richard has pointed out, there are no examples given by
    Dembski where he "[did] the calculation", as Dembski commands
    at the end of "The Design Inference". The references that
    Paul gives may have contributed to Dembski's development of
    his Design Inference, but since one of Dembski's claims is
    that his Design Inference is a novel and rigorous methodology,
    it follows that those other references cannot be claimed to
    shed light on whether "actual specified complexity" is found
    as a property of living systems. That has to be done either
    by Dembski or someone applying his Design Inference
    specifically.

    I should note here that it is critical that Dembski be
    involved in this demonstration, either performing the
    calculations himself, or certifying that any calculations done
    meet with his approval. During the flap over the Polanyi
    Center at Baylor University earlier this year, it seemed to be
    a refrain sung by both Dembski and Gordon that their critics
    had misunderstood them. The way to properly resolve this is
    not to simply accuse the critics of misunderstanding, but
    rather to demonstrate what a correct understanding of the
    method yields. Richard's insistence upon worked-out examples
    is a simple and clear means to this desired end. Given
    Dembski's exhortation to "do the probability calculation" on
    p.228 of TDI, one would hope that Dembski has already worked
    out a variety of examples in detail that would support his
    claims made concerning the application of TDI to biological
    systems. If this is not the case, it is also important to
    know upon what other basis Dembski is making those claims.

    Wesley



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