Re: the role of sex in evolution

From: Stephen E. Jones (sejones@iinet.net.au)
Date: Thu Apr 06 2000 - 18:06:11 EDT

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    On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:33:57 -0500, Susan Brassfield wrote:

    [...]

    >BP>Sex is a bit of a problem for evolution. No one has been able to figure
    >>out how a man and a woman could have evolved through functional
    >>intermediates to develop a sperm/egg, and the male/female sex organs.
    >>This is the classic example of Michael Behe's irreducible complexity.

    SB>this is, of course, hogwash. Sex is not a problem at all for evolution.
    >First, go to this note at the talk.origins website:
    >http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/may99.html

    [...]

    The wording above is illuminating: "this is, *of course*, hogwash" and
    "Sex is not a problem *at all*..." (my emphasis). This is the `Freudian slip'
    of a true believer to whom there can be no "problem at all for evolution",
    even in principle, and therefore no scientific evidence is even necessary. All
    one has to do is point to a `verse' in the evolutionist's `Bible', the
    Talk.Origins website, and all will be well!

    But someone better tell Maynard Smith, one of the world's leading
    authorities on the origin of sex. In his book, "The Problems of Biology", he
    included the origin of sexual reproduction among biology's "major
    unsolved problems" (Maynard Smith J., "The Problems of Biology," 1986,
    p.vii). He explains the basic problem is that:

    "...it is reproduction, not sex, which is a precondition for evolution" and "at
    the most fundamental level sex and reproduction are exact opposites. In
    reproduction, one cell turns into two, whereas the essential feature of the
    sexual process is that two cells fuse to form one. Thus sex is an
    interruption of reproduction. Since, other things being equal, natural
    selection favours those types which reproduce most rapidly, there are real
    difficulties in giving a selective explanation for the widespread occurrence
    of sexual fusion. These difficulties are still unresolved, although many
    solutions have been suggested." (Maynard Smith, 1986, p.27)

    Yet, even though Maynard Smith is one of the world's leading authorities
    on the origin of sex, and has been thinking about it for 20 years, even he
    says that he doesn't know the answer:

    "Why Sex? We are so used to associating the ideas of sex and reproduction
    that it is easy to forget that, at a deep level, these two processes are precise
    opposites. Reproduction is the process in which one cell turns into two,
    and sex that in which two cells fuse to form one. Darwin has taught us to
    expect organisms to have properties that ensure successful survival and
    reproduction. Why, then, should they bother with sex, which interrupts
    reproduction? I have spent much of the past twenty years thinking about
    this problem, which I regard as the most interesting in current evolutionary
    biology. Yet this is the first time I have attempted to write about it for a
    general audience. The reason is simple; I am not sure I know the answer. It
    is always difficult to explain scientific ideas to non-specialists, but it is
    doubly so if one is not clear about the ideas oneself So you may find this
    essay confusing. However, if you are not a biologist you will probably learn
    some curious and interesting facts. I must start by explaining why the
    problem is so difficult. It is not merely that sex seems pointless: it is
    actually costly." (Maynard Smith J., "Why Sex?" in "Did Darwin Get it
    Right?," 1993, p165).

    The sexual process of meiosis (in eukaryotes) and mitosis is fantastically
    complicated halving the organism's DNA in a series of stages and then joining
    it back together again (with crossover), with another organisms's DNA:

    "meiosis, n. a type of nuclear division associated with sexual reproduction,
    producing four HAPLOID(1) cells from a single DIPLOID(1) cell, the
    process involving two cycles of division. Although meiosis is a continuous
    process it has been divided into numerous stages, given below. Further
    details of each stage can be obtained by referring to individual entries.

    PROPHASE I: homologous chromosomes pair, split into CHROMATIDS,
    and carry out CROSSING OVER. The nuclear membrane disintegrates.

    METAPHASE I: chromosomes migrate to the spindle equator to which
    they become attached by their CENTROMERES.

    ANAPHASE I: HOMOLOGOUS CHROMOSOMES separate to opposite
    poles.

    TELOPHASE I: new nuclei form, in which there is only one type of each
    chromosome, although each is divided into two chromatids.

    PROPHASE II: nuclear membrane goes.

    METAPHASE II: chromosomes attach to spindle.

    ANAPHASE II: chromatids separate to poles.

    TELOPHASE II: a total of four haploid nuclei is produced, each with one
    of each types of chromosome.

    Meiosis has two major functions: (a) it halves the number of chromosomes
    to prevent a doubling in each generation, (b) it produces a mixing of
    genetic material in the daughter cells by the process of INDEPENDENT
    ASSORTMENT and RECOMBINATION. Note that the second point is
    only true if variability already is present in the parent cell."

    (Hale W.G., & Margham J.P., "Collins Reference Dictionary of Biology,"
    1988, p.341)

    "mitosis, n. a type of nuclear division by which two daughter cells are
    produced from one parent cell, with no change in chromosome number.
    Mitosis is associated with asexual growth and repair and, although it is a
    continuous process, has been divided up into four main stages, given
    below. Further details of each stage can be obtained by referring to
    individual entries.

    (a) PROPHASE: chromosomes contract and become visible as threads.
    Each chromosome divides into two CHROMATIDS and the nuclear
    membrane disintegrates.

    (b) METAPHASE: chromosomes migrate to the equator of a spindle and
    become attached to the spindle microtubes by their CENTROMERES.

    (c) ANAPHASE: chromatids separate and go to opposite poles.

    (d) TELOPHASE: nuclear membrane reforms, chromosomes lengthen and
    cannot be distinguished."

    (Hale W.G., & Margham J.P., "Collins Reference Dictionary of Biology,"
    1988, p.341)

    Of course, since Maynard Smith is a very clever person and has all the vast
    resources of modern science at his disposal, he does manage to suggest
    some `just-so' stories which might explain why sex originated.

    But they only explain the long-term advantages of sex *after* it has arisen.
    The real problem for Darwinism is that each small step in the process has to
    have a selective advantage, otherwise natural selection (if it is to have the
    power ascribed to it), would eliminate it. A `blind watchmaker' cannot see
    and head for a long-term advantage, but an Intelligent Designer can. Thus
    Maynard Smith writes:

    "There is, however, a second objection that is harder to meet. Are we not
    again ascribing foresight to evolution? We are saying that a species will not
    abandon sex today, because the environment may change tomorrow."
    (Maynard Smith J., 1993, p.168).

    And:

    "The origin of the sexual process remains one of the most difficult
    problems in biology. I cannot attempt to answer it here, but l can explain
    the difficulty The major consequence of sex was to make genetic
    recombination possible, once the 'old-fashioned' prokaryote methods of
    plasmid transfer and conjugation had become ineffective. Genetic
    recombination, in turn, enormously expands the possibilities of evolutional
    change, as was illustrated in Figure 6. But this is a long-term, prospective
    advantage, not an immediate one. Natural selection lacks foresight. A trait
    will not be selected merely because it will have, at some time in the future,
    beneficial effects. It is only present benefits that count." (Maynard Smith,
    1986, p.35).

    He concludes his "The Problems of Biology" with:

    "The hardest questions are those concerned with the evolutionary causes,
    and consequences, of this pervasive genetic recombination. The questions
    are hard because a recombinational event may have no effect on the fitness
    of the individual in which it occurs, but only on what other genes a
    particular gene will associate with in future generations. The hardest
    question of all concerns the evolution of sex in eukaryotes, because of the
    twofold advantage to females that abandon it." (Maynard Smith, 1986,
    p.38)

    Maynard Smith's attempted explanations are ingenious (especially in his
    "The Major Transitions in Evolution" 1995), but they would only be
    convincing to an already convinced evolutionist who knows that `evolution
    is a fact' and so does not actually *need* any evidence!

    Therefore, of *course* "Sex is not a problem at all for evolution" to Susan.
    *Nothing* could ever be "a problem at all for evolution" to a true believer
    in evolution!

    Kerkut considers this complacent attitude a real problem for science:

    "For some years now I have tutored undergraduates on various aspects of
    Biology. It is quite common during the course of conversation to ask the
    student if he knows the evidence for Evolution. This usually evokes a
    faintly superior smile at the simplicity of the question, since it is an old war-
    horse set in countless examinations. "Well, sir, there is the evidence from
    palaeontology, comparative anatomy, embryology, systematics and
    geographical distributions," the student will say in a nursery-rhyme jargon,
    sometimes even ticking off the words on his fingers. He would then sit and
    look fairly complacent and wait for a more difficult question to follow,
    such as the nature of the evidence for Natural Selection. Instead I would
    continue on with Evolution.

    "Do you think that the Evolutionary Theory is the best explanation yet
    advanced to explain animal interrelationships?" I would ask.

    "Why, of course, sir," would be the reply in some amazement at my
    question." There is nothing else, except for the religious explanation held
    by some Fundamentalist Christians, and I gather, sir, that these views are
    no longer held by the more up-to-date Churchmen."

    "So," I would continue, "you believe in Evolution because there is no other
    theory?"

    "Oh, no, sir," would be the reply, "I believe in it because of the evidence I
    just mentioned."

    "Have you read any book on the evidence for Evolution?" I would ask.

    "Yes, sir," and here he would mention the names of authors of a popular
    school textbook, "and of course, sir, there is that book by Darwin, The
    Origin of Species."

    "Have you read this book?" I asked.

    "Well, not all through, sir."

    "About how much?"

    "The first part, sir."

    "The first fifty pages?"

    "Yes, sir, about that much; maybe a bit less."

    "I see, and that has given you your firm understanding of Evolution?"

    "Yes, sir."

    "Well, now, if you really understand an argument you will be able to
    indicate to me not only the points in favour of the argument but also the
    most telling points against it."

    "I suppose so, sir."

    "Good. Please tell me, then, some of the evidence against the theory of
    Evolution."

    "Against what, sir?"

    "The theory of Evolution."

    "But there isn't any, sir."

    Here the conversation would take on a more strained atmosphere. The
    student would look at me as if I was playing a very unfair game. It
    would be clearly quite against the rules to ask for evidence against a
    theory when he had learnt up everything in favour of the theory. He
    also would take it rather badly when I suggest that he is not being very
    scientific in his outlook if he swallows the latest scientific dogma and,
    when questioned, just repeats parrot fashion the views of the current
    Archbishop of Evolution. In fact he would be behaving like certain of
    those religious students he affects to despise. He would be taking on
    faith what he could not intellectually understand and when questioned
    would appeal to authority, the authority of a "good book" which in this
    case was The Origin of Species.

    (Kerkut G.A., "Implications of Evolution," , 1960, pp.3-5)

    Steve

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