Re: Purpose in nature

Tim Ikeda (tikeda@sprintmail.com)
Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:10:04 -0400

Glenn Morton wrote on Thu, 22 Jul 1999.
[...]
>> This is illustrated below (which won't look good in the archive):
>
>> parent daughter
>> species species
>> . . . . .
>> . . . . . .
>> .. .. ............... .. . .
>> . . . pathway for . . . .
>> . . evolution . .
>>
>> cloud 1 cloud 2
>> species 1 species 2

David Tyler responds:
> I accept that this would be the Darwinian way of looking at
> things. The Basic Type biologist would have a similar
> portrayal of genomic phase space - but involving Basic Type
> clouds and without the hypothetical linkages.

One problem with Basic Type biology: It doesn't anticipate the
sequence overlap observed among all organisms. Further, it
doesn't anticipate the nested relationships of overlap. It
only expects such relationships "within the individual
clouds". To support the same nested patterns in Basic Type
"biology" require additional, auxiliary hypotheses to be
invoked.

>> Since some DNA sequences create living systems some don't,
>> some points in the space are forbidden with others allowed.
>> Those points that are allowed are potential living creatures.
>> Those that are not allowed is the space around these clouds.

> We are agreed that some spaces are forbidden! There has been
> a continuum of views about this: from "no forbidden space" to
> "complete forbidden space" between the clouds.

Organisms related by common descent should have far, far less
non-forbidden space in which to explore because they can only
search those spaces linked through viable intermediates. This is
not a limitation of supernaturally created Basic Type organisms.
So it is definitely surprising (assuming the Basic Type model is
correct), that nested hierchies among all life forms occur, given
that there could be so many more ways of creating organisms
without such relationships.

>> Randomly mutating a population makes the dots move around in the
>> cloud region. Eventually some of the dots will make it into the
>> tunnel connecting the two clouds.
>
> I suggest "the hypothetical tunnel".
>
>> Speciation then had begun.
>
> time. Speciation occurs as the "dots move around in the cloud
> region". This is a fundamental difference between Basic Type
> Biology and Darwinism. For Darwinists, all speciation is
> evolution. For BT biologists, speciation is a secondary effect:
> exploring different permutations of genetic information but
> always within the Basic Type.

What is the Basic Type of an organism carrying a mitochondrion
or a chloroplast? "Prokaryote + Eukaryote" class?

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Regards,
Tim Ikeda
tikeda@sprintmail.hormel.com (despam address before use)