Re: As people become Christians

Dario A Giraldo (giraldo@wln.com)
Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:00:27 -0700

At 05:04 PM 6/13/97 -0400, Pim van Meurs wrote:
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>That depends, was Lazarus really dead ?
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The residents of Judea in the 1st Century didn't wrap people and stuck them
in graves with stones as doors and left them when the persons still alive.
Moreover Lazarus sister Martha was concerned about the bad odor when Jesus
ordered the stone to be moved away (John 11:38-39). Read further to see
the reaction of the local leaders and how the large crowd will come to
Lazarus home to see him and verify that he was dead and came back to life
(John 12:9)

>Giraldo: How about the parting of the Red Sea ?
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>Not necessarily. There is a theory which explains the parting of the seas
>by a combination of winds and bathymetry.
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Just like it happens today still ? There some others that claim that the
water is only ankle deep and it wasn't the Red Sea but rather the Reed Sea.
Which means that the miracle was even greater when the Egyptian army
drowned in ankle deep water.

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>Wow, now all that is missing is evidence that this is related to a belief
>in god and even more importantly that this belief is founded in reality.
>After all if this is happening, why not have this scientifically validated
>? Hearsay stories from those who have a vested interest somehow does not
>sound very scientifically satisfying.

Well Steven's doctors were muted at his recovery and they did acknowledge
that something extraordinary had happened to him but they didn't know what.

On the blind lady and the deaf/mute boy they still around and will let you
know in a second how they come to see and hear. This isn't hearsay.

Go to Ghana, ask to see the superintendent of the Foursquare Church in
Africa Horace Sprague, and he will take you to a person who died and after
three days was resurrected.

Go to Panama and ask for Manuel Ruiz of the Faith Tabernacle Church. Ask
him to show you the hundreds of people who have been supernaturally heal by
the power of God.

Go to Colombia and ask Dario Silva of the Church On The Rock to present to
you the people who have been healed from malign brain tumors, diabetes and
AIDS just to mention a few.

Go to San Jose CA and talk to Ed Silvoso and let him introduce you to
hundreds of people in three continents that have been touched at one level
or another by the supernatural power of God.

Want to do scientific work ? Follow up on these leads and do some
research. These stories aren't hearsay. These people are real and alive
today.

>Depends on what the sun will do in the next several billion years. Other
>than that I do not believe that there is any scientific foundation for
>this 'prophecy' either.

Prophecy isn't given to validate science and science can't intefere with it
because it can't enter its sphere. Thus science can't supply testimony nor
offer criticism about it.

Since science can't trascend its own boundaries is powerless beyond them.
It can't prove that there are no facts save those recognized by external
observation or that there is no truth except that which explains what is
displayed to the natural senses.

There can be no scientific denial of the supernatural for science is only
of the observational. Science has no testimony to bear except as to the
fact of observation to the natural.

Best Regards,

Dario Giraldo