Re: Age of sun and moon

Glenn Dixon (glenn.dixon@telops.gte.com)
Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:14:42 -0700

Under the following scenarios, what do Whitcomb and DeYoung calculate
the height of the tides to be at the moon's minimal orbit? (If you would
be so kind as to post the book's title/year etc. I would look it up
myself)

R. Joel Duff wrote:

> "Lunar laser-ranging experiments regularly measure the earth-moon distance
> to within a few centimeters,12 and it is notices that the separation is
> presently increasing by several centimeters per year. The rate (in italics)
> of separation, however, based on uniformitarian extrapolation, is
> decreasing; the rate of separation is assumed to have been greater in the
> past.13 At the same time the length of the earth's day is increasing by
> about 0.002 seconds per century, both effects being due to the tidal forces
> between the earth and the moon. Even this slow rate of tidal dissipation
> of energy is extremely large when compared with the fission theory and its
> assumed separation is extrapolated backward in time, the moon would have
> been "very near" the earth less than two billion years ago! Baldwin
> explains the situation this way:
>
> ""Jeffrey's (sic) early studies of the effects of tidal friction yielded a
> rough age of the Moon of 4 billion years. Recently, however, Munk and
> MacDonald have interpreted the observations to indicate that tidal friction
> is a more important force than had been realized and that it would hav
> taken not more than 1.78 billion years for tidal friction to drive the Moon
> outward to its present distance from any possible minimum distance. This
> period of time is so short, compared with the age of the earth, that
> serious doubts have been cast upon most proposed origins and histories of
> the moon.14""
>
> Allen Hammond, using slightly differnet intitial conditions, concludes that
> the current rate of separation of the earth-moon system implies an initial
> separation less than on billion years ago.15 This is long after the date
> given to the youngest rocks found on the moon (see p. 92)."
>
> 12 Taylor, Lunar Science: A post-Apollo View, p. 3.
> 13. B. J. F. MacDonald, "origin of the moon: dynamic considerations,:" The
> Earth-Moon System, edited by B. G. Marsden and a. G. W. Cameron
> [prodeedings of an international conference, Jan. 20-21, 1964] (New York:
> Plenum Press, 19660 p. 185
> 14. Baldwin, A fundamental survey of the Moon, p. 40.
> 15. Hammond, "exploring the solar system (III): whence the Moon?" 911.
>
> My fingers hurt now so I'll quit.
>
> Joel
>
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