Re: A rabbit trail...

Glenn Morton (GRMorton@gnn.com)
Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:57:08

>Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:53:56 EDT
>From: pdd@gcc.cc.md.us
>Sender: owner-evolution@udomo.calvin.edu
>To: evolution@Calvin.EDU
>Subject: A rabbit trail...
>
>Back to you Glen...
>
>>God commanded the earth to do something
>
>> By commanding
>>the earth to bring forth vegetation, I would presume that the earth
> obeyed
>>and brought forth vegetation. But earth was the immediate cause of
>>vegetation.
>
>>No. It affirms that God used a secondary agent to actually create the
>>vegetation.
>
>> the earth was the immediate, active
>>agent which actually brought forth the animals. When I tell one of the
>>guys working for me to make me an oil prospect, I am not active-he is
> the
>>active, creative agent.
>
>Then you have just asserted that the
>proper interpretation of verse 20 KJV,
>is that God commanded the waters to
>bring forth winged fowl? Do you also now
>contend that water created birds?
>

I would like to get a Hebrew expert's opinion on this. NIV says

Genesis 1:20 (NIV) And God said, "Let the water teem with living
creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the
sky."

The way this reads does not say that water created birds. Denis Lamoureaux
are you out there?

>There is a saying, "If the plain sense
>makes no sense, then every other sense is
>nonsense". For the sake of argument only,
>If one was to concede that the whole
>interpretation of these verses is
>debatable, then your model is as weak as
>the weakest of any other conceivable
>explanation which you attempt to deny.

We have a choice. We can continue to interpret the Bible in a fashion
that makes it observationally false, or we can try to find a new interp.
that does not force the believer to deny what he can see with his eyes.

>The verse I quoted translates "gender" for
>copulate. Are you saying that this is
>absolute proof that animals can copulate
>and reproduce with diverse kinds of
>animals, or only their own species?
>

Well cattle (genus bos) can reproduce with the american Buffalo (genus
bison). The offspring is fertile, I believe. Cattle were an Asian species
and the Buffalo a North American species.

I wrote:
>
>> If God created
>>the world, why do Christians, who worship God, greet each new
> scientific
>>discovery as if it would disprove God and the Bible and thus, must be
>>explained away?
>
>Too many absolute statements here to
>respond to but I'll try...
>
>Most merely disagree on the interpretation
>of some of the "discoveries" and dogma, and
>not necessarily the data. Many don't want
>to see man's interpretation hold more
>authority than scripture, especially when
>scripture is properly translated and read.
>

Two things. Has the Scripture been properly interpreted when I must
believe that animals can not reproduce new kinds, yet I can observe that
process occurring in nature?

Second, I disagree that it is merely the interp. of the data.

>Hope your hand gets better!

I see a new Doc next week.

Your 1-handed friend,

glenn
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