perception and salt

GRMorton@aol.com
Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:07:38 -0500

Art Chadwick wrote:
>>I had a wonderful experiment I used to do in Philosophy of Science class to
demonstrate the subjective nature of reality. I would send half the class
out of the room, and show a slide on the screen to the rest of the class.The
slide consisted of a series of parallel ruled lines associated with a color.
THe pattern was precise and consistently associated vertical lines
with red. The students had to fixate on the pattern for 15 minutes. After
the 15 minutes, the slide was turned off, the other half of the class was
invited to return, and a second slide, just like the first but with no
color, was shown. Those who had been in the class were asked to identify
the color associated with the vertical bars. Invariably they would insist
the background was red. They would argue adamantly with those who had been
outside, who were just as certain that the background was white (which, of
course it was, to them)! I quit doing the experiment when students would
come in a week or so later complaining that they were still seeing red
associated with vertical stripes. I don't like messing with peoples minds,
even to make an important point. The fact is physical reality had indeed
changed for the group in that classroom. <<

I would disagree with this last sentence. Physical reality had not changed.
A spectrum of the light emitted from the screen would have shown all
frequencies consistent with the white light. What had changed was not
reality but their perception of reality. To put this in the terminology of
the purple sky believers, one of the options I listed was that they were
diseased and thus their vision was seeing blue instead of purple. This is
the same as what you did to your poor victi...oops, I mean students :-) You
altered their perception so that in a sense, their sense apparatus was not
funcitoning correctly. But physical reality did not change, unless you are a
phenomenalist (I think that is the term for someone who believes that
ultimate reality is sense data).

Most parents are afraid professors will make their children cynical, but your
made them look at the world through rose colored glasses, without the
glasses.

Art wrote:
>>I do not understand why Glenn has chosen to equate salt from volcanic
origin with the other points in his list, but it is well known that salt is
associated with volcanism. I know of at least two references to this
association, one of which was in Science about 15 years ago, explaining the
accmulation of salt in the eastern Mediterranean basin as having emanated
from the rift zone. The other author was a geochemist who suggested that salt
deposits were produced in association with volcanoes. He demonstrated
geochemically the evolution of the whole suite of "evaporites" associated
with salt could be encompassed in the chemistry of volcanoes. Neither of
these sources was predisposed to strange thinking, as far as I know. Since I
no longer have the original references, I cannot claim them, but I think a
search on salt and volcanoes should turn up some stuff. I am not sure why
this is such a big point to Glenn, but I have not been following the
thread...."

The salt example was not a BIG point to me, but it is one of those things
that Christians are taught which does not really fit with all the
observations. This is all on page 18 of the older version of my book you
have. I chose the salt example because Whitcomb and Morris (Genesis Flood p.
413) and Morris and Morris,( Science, Scripture and the Young Earth, p. 32)
suggest that salt is volcanic in nature. There are numerous problems with
this such as pollen micrometeorites, algal spores, fungal spores etc. are
found in salt. (See Ulrich Jux, "The Palynologic Age of Diapiric and Bedded
Salt," Louisiana Geological Survey, Bulletin 38 Oct. 1961, p. 1; Wilhelm
Klaus "Utilization of Spores in Evaporite Studies," Third Symposium on Salt,
Cleveland: The Northern Ohio Geological Soc., 1971, p.30; and James M.
Barnett, "Sedimentation Rate of Salt determined by Micrometeorite analysis,"
M.S. Thesis, Western Michigan University, 1983).)

I do not think pollen, algal and fungal spores and micrometeorites come out
of volcanoes. And the apologetical books of Morris et al do not discuss these
microscopic evidences against their viewpoint. However, I will try to find
those articles. But one fact I am fairly certain of, we have never seen a
volcano spew out pure chlorite or pure limestone. If we had, I think that
geochemist would have a better case.

glenn