Re: nephilim

"swest::mrgate::a1::reimersj"@swest.dnet.dupont.com
Thu, 24 Aug 95 17:31:10 EDT

From: NAME: Joseph Daniel [Joe] Reimers
FUNC: PD-SRW-ADNTECH -B3006
TEL: 409-886-6886 <REIMERSJ AT A1 AT SWEST>
To: NAME: evolution@Calvin.EDU <"EVOLUTION@CALVIN.EDU"@ESDS01@MRGATE@SWEST>

HI DAVE:

I HAVE HEARD OF THE SEX WITH ANGELS VIEWPOINT BEFORE. I DON'T BUY
IT. NOT BECAUSE OF MY REFUSAL TO SEE SUPERNATURAL THINGS, BUT
BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONSISTENT (IMHO) WITH ANYTHING IN THE REST OF
SCRIPTURE.

THE PASSAGE YOU REFER TO IN JUDE USES THE ACTUAL WORD "ANGELS".
THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE FALLEN ANGELS (NOW WE CALL THEM DEMONS)
WHO LEFT HEAVEN WITH SATAN WHEN HE REBELLED AGAINST GOD.

THE PASSAGE IN GENESIS DOES NOT USE THIS WORD; IT SAYS THE SONS
OF GOD HAD RELATIONS WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN. TO SAY SONS OF
GOD = ANGEL IS A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION I DON'T AGREE WITH.

"SONS OF GOD" COULD MEAN MALES, SINCE GOD MADE MAN FROM THE DUST
OF THE GROUND, THEREBY MAKING HIM A "SON OF GOD". THIS IS
CONSISTENT WITH HEBREWS, WHERE JESUS, WHO IS REFERED TO IN MANY
PLACES IN SCRIPTURE AS "THE SON OF GOD" IS REFERRED TO AS "THE
LAST ADAM". THE FIRST FEMALE WAS CREATED FROM THE RIB OF THE
MALE, MAKING FEMALES "THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN". THE REASON I FAVOR
THIS INTERPRETATION IS THAT NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT EVER
SPECIFICALLY REFER TO HUMANS HAVING SEX WITH ANGELS. IT REFERES
TO HUMANS HAVING SEX WITH ANIMALS, AND HOMOSEXUALITY, CALLING
BOTH OF THESE PRACTICES ABOMINATIONS. IN FACT, I'VE BEEN TOLD
THAT ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES IN ISRAEL HAVE UNCOVERED EVIDENCE
OF RAMPANT BESTIALITY AND HOMOSEXUALITY AMONGST THE CANAANITE
PEOPLES THAT THE ISRAELITES WERE ORDERED BY GOD TO ANNIHILATE,
LEAVING NOTHING ALIVE THAT BREATHES. AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE
DISEASES COMMON AMONG PEOPLE (AND POSSIBLY ANIMALS) INVOLVED IN
SUCH PRACTICES IS PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS WHOLESALE
SLAUGHTER ORDERED BY GOD HIMSELF.

OTHER SUPERNATURAL OCCURANCES I BELIEVE DO EXIST, BECAUSE THEY
ARE MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE. ANGELS APPEARING TO PEOPLE? YES THE
SCRIPTURE MENTIONS THIS. PEOPLE POSSESSED BY DEMONS, AGAIN, IT IS
MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE AND I BELIEVE IT OCCURS TODAY. ALTHO THERE
ARE MANY QUACKS AND GULLIBLE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO MAY ASCRIBE
NATURAL THINGS TO THE SUPERNATURAL, THERE ARE ENOUGH WITNESSES
WHO I BELIEVE ARE CREDIBLE WHO CAN ATTEST TO THESE SORT OF
OCCURANCES. IN MY OPINION, NONE OF THIS IS TRUE REGARDING SEX
WITH ANGELS.

FINALLY I REPEAT MY POINT REGARDING THE MARK OF CAIN. WHAT OTHER
PHYSICAL CHANGE COULD GOD MAKE TO A PERSON (BESIDES GIVING THEM A
REALLY CONTAGIOUS DISEASE) TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLE WITH VIOLENT
INTENTIONS LEAVE THEM ALONE IF HE DID NOT TURN CAIN INTO A GIANT?