Re: The Beak of the Finch

GRMorton@aol.com
Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:24:41 -0400

Stephen Jones wrote:
"I find it interesting that you are still defending "fairly traditional
Darwinian principles" when Glenn in a recent post has chided
"Christians" for still attacking Darwin's views. In the interests of clarity,
perhaps you should take this up with Glenn, for the benefit of us all?<<

Stephen, your memory is very short. On June seventh I cited the case of the
I'iwi bird whose beak is in the process of gradual change. You criticised
that as evidence of evolution by saying

>Yes. These birds are still birds. What are they evolving to?<<

So gradual change is not enough for you to believe that evolution can occur,
but when I cited the experiments which produced lizard legs from chicken legs
in chick embryos, you also criticised that as "Goldschmidtism". Is it
possible that absolutely no piece of data would be able to convince you that
morphological change has occurred?

During that exchange you quoted Bohlin and Lester concerning the "limits" to
biological change. This is a quite common criticism of evolution, yet I have
not found a single experiment which has proven such a limitation. Can you
provide a single experimental fact supporting the contention that there are
limits to biological change? In what experiment did mankind attempt to alter
a form and find the limit?

I do not disagree with Terry's point about the beaks of the finches. I have
never said that gradual change can not occur. What I have said is that there
is evidence for BOTH gradual AND rapid change in biological systems. Darwin
beilieved that ONLY gradual change could occur. Modern data has shown this
to be untrue. Yet too many Christians still argue against the view that ONLY
gradual change can be invoked to explain morphological change.

glenn