Re: TOE or TSD: that is the question! (was Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle)

Jim,

Thanks for these thoughts. But where do you stand with respect to the body of information newly revealed within Genesis 1:1? Here we find a set of numerical absolutes (and other) distilled from just 7 Hebrew words. Don't you regard this as something remarkable - and to be properly accounted for (as far as we are able) in our Christian walk? Is it likely that He who speaks thus would choose evolution as His means of creating? - and equivocation as His method of communicating with us?

Regards,

Vernon
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Armstrong
  Cc: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: TOE or TSD: that is the question! (was Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle)

  Vernon -
  If we accept that the universe, and the Earth in particular, is the handwork of the Creator, then it perhaps it might at least be argued that it is unlikely tool of satanic deception.
  Consider the many passages of Scripture that deal with the hymns of praise that nature speaks in its silence. I rather doubt that the nature of nature is to be double-tongued.

  That handwork has some things powerful things to say about its creator. I submit that Creation speaks those things constantly and consistently over time. Though we may nuance the interpretations over time, the voice perseveres nontheless, speaking the same universal timeless language undeterred, always calling us to convergence on a more refined and more complete (though never truly comprehensive) understanding of its substance and message.

  The latter statements cannot be made about the thoughts, traditions, and writings of human kind. Culture, trend, agenda, belief, history and tradition are among the many factors that shape the ideas that are held and expressed at any given time and all you have to do is look at the diversity of world religions to observe that the range of ways to perceive, approach and express understanding of the transcendant creator far, FAR exceeds any range of interpretations of what nature has to say about its history, processes, and creator.

  In short I would suggest you have given satan too much credit, and done it in an area where your case is the weakest.

  Regards - Jim Armstrong

  Vernon Jenkins wrote:

    Glenn,

    Thanks for these geological 'proofs' of an old earth and evolution. But, as a Christian, I suggest your approach to these matters has been lax and far too simplistic. Let me explain: you should have learned from the Book of Job (1:6-12; 2:1-7), from the events leading up to the death of Ahab, King of Israel (1Kings 22), and from Paul's words of warning (Eph. 6: 10-18) that we live our earthly lives against a backdrop of considerable supernatural activity. In the wisdom of God, the deceiver - and enemy of our souls - Satan, is sometimes allowed to exercise considerable power on earth (such as providing those _decoys_ you have listed). Now it should be clear to all believers of the Gospel that evolution sits _extremely awkwardly_ with the Scriptures, and there can be little doubt that all attempts to harmonise the two have resulted in serious distortions of the Word of God - something that the Apostle Peter expressly warns against (2Pet.3:15-16). Undoubtedly, this situation - and the confusion it has engendered - represent a coup for Satan! It also explains why this 'Theory' is different from _all others_ in that, when challenged, its adherents tend to become testy and hostile, and those unable to accept it are subjected to duress of one kind or another.

    Glenn, I put it to you that 'Theory of Evolution' is better described as the 'Theory of Satanic Deception'.

    Vernon

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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Glenn Morton
      To: 'Vernon Jenkins' ; 'Don Winterstein' ; 'Walter Hicks'
      Cc: 'asa'
      Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:47 AM
      Subject: RE: Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle

         DW : Overwhelming scientific evidence compels us to conclude the world is much older than 10,000 years.

        VJ: If the evidence is indeed as rock-solid as you suggest then why do many reputable scientists continue to think otherwise?

        Vernon, I guess it is time to point you to some web pages which show pictures of Geology. If the earth is less than 10 kyr, then the geologic column must be deposited quite rapidly or created in place. That means you have either a God who makes up animals who never lived and thus is deceptive, or you have to beleive in a global flood. There are lots of problems with that. We can't post pictures to this list so I will point you to my web page on geology which has links to lots of pictures in geology which show exactly why the geology was not deposited in one year. The site is http://home.entouch.net/dmd/geology.htm

        The reasons for this included

        burrows in all levels of the geologic column,

        dried out mudcracks and desert deposits on all levels of the geologic column,

        foot prints and trails on all levels of the geologic column,

        erosion of very hard rocks (like 35 km of hard igneous rock eroded in Scotland).

        buried river channels

        buried canyons

        plants growing in many levels of the geologic column

        too many animals for a single biosphere to have been killed in a flood

        evidence of normal activities, like animals going to the bathroom over a long period of time--otherwise you have to assume they all took a dump at once.

        Take a look and explain the geology, Vernon. this is the stuff which the YEC leadership never wants the laity to see. And there are pictures for it all. The reason why people still believe in a young earth is because they won't look at geology.
Received on Sat Jul 31 17:00:57 2004