Re: Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Michael Roberts
  Cc: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle

  My purpose as a Christian minister is to teach the Gospel and to teach the truth of the Bible which was written to enable all including those of no mathematical ability to understand the ways of God. My calling is not to obfuscate God's word with convoluted sums which actually make the bible as ridiculous as Drosnin's bible code.

  Michael, I have never suggested that these numerical indicators of miracle be preached from the pulpit. But you, the preacher - gifted with intellect over and above that of your flock - are surely well able to understand the points I am making. Rather than obfuscate God's word, as you suggest, the phenomena revealed in the Bible's first verse - and closely integrated with it - enhance our view of it, the whole of the text which follows, and of our Creator. It would be nice to suppose you had properly investigated all this before embarking on our present discussion. However, I have the strong impression that that is not the case. Michael, you come across strongly as an _obscurant_ i.e. someone who tries hard to prevent enlightenment or reform.

  Over the years you have dismissed historical science as false and based on a sinful approach. I wish you would give substance to your accusations.

  My findings suggest that your absolute faith in this matter is misplaced.

  Shalom,

  Vernon
  www.otherbiblecode.com
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Vernon Jenkins
    To: Michael Roberts ; gordon brown ; Gary Collins
    Cc: asa@calvin.edu
    Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:14 PM
    Subject: Re: Genesis 1:1 - a standing miracle

    Gentlemen,

    I'm a little hampered at present by a general email delivery failure in the Virgin.Net system. However, I've just picked up your recent responses from the ASA archive. Please allow me to single out Michael's contributions for immediate attention (those from Gordon and Gary will require more thought).

    Michael, you have written

    1) It is time you gave substance to your arrogant assertions, whether on your so-called standing miracle or the falsity of historical science.Your views never progress beyond risible nonsense.

    I believe I have already provided a great deal of substance in my earlier posts. The whole basis of my thesis is that He who has purposely woven these wonders into the very first verse of His Word thereby reveals something more of His being and character than we would otherwise have been aware. Michael, you are a Christian minister - having a responsibility for the ultimate safe delivery of the souls of your flock; I would therefore have thought a careful and reverential attitude more appropriate - or else a responsible and closely-argued rebuttal of my claims. Your suggestion that this is all 'risible nonsense' is, I suggest, most unprofessional and completely pointless.

    2) A mathematical comment on the common 6 + 1 literary devices . When you use maths to the base 60 !/1, !/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6 are integers giving 60,30,20,15,12, 10 and this could give the 7 day week etc. If this is so then it means that "Moses/J/P " borrowed from non-judaistic Babylonian culture. Oh deary me. Longing to hear what false assumptions geologists have!! Except that we are all heathen

    Michael, what on earth these things have in common with the subject under consideration puzzles me intensely. Are they intended to divert attention from what really matters to the members of this forum, viz the _truth_ concerning origins?

    Shalom,

    Vernon

    www.otherbiblecode.com
Received on Wed Jul 21 15:12:23 2004