Re: ID and non-random mutations

From: Howard J. Van Till (hvantill@chartermi.net)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2003 - 09:16:46 EST

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    Chuck,

    Thanks for our calling attention to the book by Caporale. As I see it, her
    thesis calls for a greater appreciation of the evolutionary role played by
    variations in the whole genome, a phenomenon far more comprehensive than the
    point mutations allowed in super-gradualistic caricatures of biological
    evolution.

    You say,

    > Given the book's apparent acceptance of Darwinian natural selection
    > ("unassisted," even), I'm a little surprised that ISCID is so interested.
    > Perhaps ISCID's interest in this comes from the possibility of
    > scientifically demonstrating that not all mutations are random, at least
    > not in every conceivable probability distribution (i.e., might be
    > non-random with respect to genomic region, but random with respect to
    > whether or not a coding reading frame is shifted by the mutation in that
    > region).

    Is it the case that mutational randomness is under attack by Caporale? Or is
    she instead pointing to the need to see how the line that successfully
    multiplies depends on the entire genome being explored in genetic
    phase-space, and not merely on some single adaptive factor? It's the latter
    that makes more sense to me at the moment. Exploratory variations are
    occurring not merely at the level of point mutations, and not merely at the
    single-function adaptation level, but at the comprehensive genomic level.
    Why is that surprising?

    > In my opinion, there is a big difference between:
    >
    > 1) natural selection favoring genomes in which mutations have a (slightly)
    > better chance of being advantageous (or perhaps a bit lower chance of being
    > detrimental), and
    >
    > 2) scientific evidence that an intelligent designer must have arranged the
    > genomes and/or be directing the mutations that modify them.

    Agreed. The entire ID program in the arena of biology is predicated on the
    proposition that the success of evolution is radically dependent on natural
    processes being supplemented by occasional episodes of non-natural,
    form-imposing intervention by an unidentified, unembodied, choice-making
    agent. ID's central claim is about the need for supplementary non-natural
    intervention to make sense of genealogical continuity and the common
    ancestry thesis.

    If I understand Caporale's thesis correctly, she is saying, in effect,
    "Nonsense! What you need to do instead is to develop an enriched concept of
    what a robust formational economy of natural processes is actually capable
    of doing." If Caporale is correct, the intervention-based ID program goes
    down the drain.

    Howard Van Till



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