Re: Intelligent design controversy in Canada

From: Denyse O'Leary (oleary@sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu Nov 06 2003 - 12:48:14 EST

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       The business about information is not my contribution to the debate,
    it is Kirk Dunston's.

    I have e-mailed him, and asked him to comment. If he does so, I will
    post his comments to the list.

    Denyse

    Jim Armstrong wrote:
    > ...speaking of information loss! JimA
    >
    >>
    >> http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/031023evolution
    >>
    >>
    >> Natural processes, over the history of the universe, have the
    >> potential
    >> to produce up to 70 bits of information. Unfortunately, just one,
    >> average 300-residue protein requires about 500 bits to encode. The
    >> simplest theoretical life form would need somewhere in the
    >> neighbourhood
    >> of 250 protein-coding genes.
    >>
    >> There is also an interview with me at
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/031030evolution
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> One of my comments: I only discovered how much trouble Darwinism
    >> was in
    >> when I took a year out of my life -- late 2002 to late 2003 -- to
    >> study
    >> the situation. I was appalled. Darwinism has nothing like the support
    >> that we are accustomed to for theories in physics or chemistry.
    >>
    >> Denyse
    >>
    >> I read these articles - thanks. One thing I was hoping to find,
    >> but didn't,
    >> is some justification for the mysterious figure of 70 bits of
    >> information,
    >> which appears as though it is a "given" for some reason.
    >>
    >> I also recently came across an interesting essay by William Hasker,
    >> entitled "How not to be a Reductivist." He quotes Thomas Nagel, who
    >> 'admits quite candidly,
    >> I hope there is no God! I dont want there to be a God; I dont want
    >> the
    >> universe to be like that'
    >> as saying,
    >>
    >> "My guess is that this cosmic authority problem is not a rare
    >> condition and that it is
    >> responsible for much of the scientism and reductionism of our
    >> time. One of the
    >> tendencies it supports is the ludicrous overuse of evolutionary
    >> biology to explain
    >> everything about life, including everything about the human mind.
    >> Darwin enabled
    >> modern secular culture to heave a great collective sigh of relief,
    >> by apparently providing
    >> a way to eliminate purpose, meaning, and design as fundamental
    >> features of the world.
    >> Instead they become epiphenomena, generated incidentally by a
    >> process that can be
    >> entirely explained by the operation of the nonteleological laws of
    >> physics on the material
    >> of which we and our environments are all composed."
    >>
    >> and adds,
    >> "Nagel himself, even though he shares in the cosmic authority
    >> problem, strenuously resists this
    >> facile appeal to Darwinism."
    >>
    >> The whole essay can be found at
    >> http://www.iscid.org/papers/Hasker_NonReductivism_103103.pdf
    >>
    >> /Gary
    >>
    >

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