From: Steve Petermann (steve@spetermann.org)
Date: Sat Sep 20 2003 - 09:10:34 EDT
Moorad wrote:
>>>>>>>>
The best operational definition of “scientific worldview” is the view of
reality based on data that, in principle, can be collected by purely
physical devices. Needless to say, much of reality, in fact the most
important aspects of it are outside the purview of science. In particular,
human experiences, values, etc. that are “undetectable” to science but are
only detected by man.
<<<<<<<<<
Right. I think, however, that one can have more than one worldview. While
one can learn a lot about the world utilizing a scientific worldview, one
can also use a religious worldview to broaden one's scope of understanding.
Steve Petermann
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From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "Steve Petermann" <steve@spetermann.org>; "Dr. Blake Nelson"
<bnelson301@yahoo.com>
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Subject: RE: Fragility and tendentiousness
The best operational definition of “scientific worldview” is the view of
reality based on data that, in principle, can be collected by purely
physical devices. Needless to say, much of reality, in fact the most
important aspects of it are outside the purview of science. In particular,
human experiences, values, etc. that are “undetectable” to science but are
only detected by man.
Moorad
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Steve Petermann
Sent: Fri 9/19/2003 3:09 PM
To: Dr. Blake Nelson
Cc: bnelson301@yahoo.com; asa@lists.calvin.edu
Subject: Re: Fragility and tendentiousness
Dr. Nelson wrote:
> At the end of the day, I think Kung is right that your
> choices are nihilism or theism if you follow through
> the consquences of various worldviews.
I agree with this, but I think I need to define what I mean by a "scientific
worldview". Perhaps there's better term to use. By scientific worldview I do
*not* mean scientism. Rather I mean a respect for what science says about
the way the cosmos operates. In my view this does not necessitate the
exclusion of religion or theism. It just says that within the limited scope
of the tools science has, what is says about the way the universe works
should be respected and perhaps accepted.
The point you keep making that science cannot logically exclude
supernaturalism is a truism. I never contented that science could. My
contention and that of many others is that as science has discovered the
natural causes for the unfolding of the cosmos, it has raised the specter of
skepticism surrounding supernatural causation.
All major religions and all major religious scriptures describe supernatural
events. Example: Hinduism has a story that the universe began as a giant
egg. It also describes supernatural events surrounding the Krishna, an
incarnation of Brahman. Christianity does not have a lock on supernaturalism
or even remarkable scriptural claims. Does science logically destroy these
claims? No. The challenge for supernaturalism is not the logic of it. The
challenge is its believability. Believability is not solely based on logic.
It is a gestalt of reason, emotion, intuition, knowledge, etc. Just because
someone can mount a logical case for something does not make it compelling.
The scholastics could do that but there approach was obviously not that
compelling since it was supplanted.
Is it possible that Krishna blew a tornado away? Yes. Is it possible that
Jesus walked on water? Yes. The real question is not that but now
compelling those stories are to people who are regularly confronted with
natural causation and *never* experience supernatural causation.
Steve Petermann
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