Dick Fischer wrote on Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:07 AM
>In your view, does tchadensis predate or postdate Adam of Genesis?
pre-dates
>
>> A hominid is strictly defined by certain taxonomical features.
>>We humans have those features (and thus we are hominids) but we also have
>>spirituality, which is not going to leave much of a fossil record
>except in
>>the form of altars made with durable material.
>
>I thought that you had placed Adam of Genesis as the first hominid,
>parented by true apes, but changed by God's own hand to be human, not
>just a hominid.
No, I have Adam as the first HUMAN. Nowhere in my book do I claim that Adam
is the first hominid. (I just double checked the book Adam, Apes and
Anthropology to be sure. I say that I have Adam at 5.5 million years ago,
and that this was the time of the first appearance of hominids on earth,
which at the time of writing it was. I do not even claim what species Adam
belonged to because it is statistically possible for a more advanced hominid
to have been created and not left a fossil record. That is why I have often
posted the data on the first and second appearances of various taxa. I show
that the temporal gaps in the fossil record are easily capable of
swallowing 5 million years. See the size of gaps KNOWN to exist in the
fossil record at http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200102/0009.html The
numbers are for the age of the oldest fossil of a group - the age of the
second oldest fossil of a group. In the gap, there is no fossil evidence on
earth that the group even exists, yet logically it must have.
reproduced here:
Taxonomic group Temporal gap between first and second oldest known
fossil
caecilians 100 million years
tetrapod 7 million years
dinosaur 12 million years
african turtle 60 myr
tarsier 30 myr
birds 8 myr
coprolites 22 myr
mushrooms 69 myr
sharks 25 myr
vascular plants 20 myr
tube worms 420 myr
pollen eating insect 150 myr
proboscidean 10 myr
chordate 10 myr
land snails 200 myr
crayfish 65 myr
Tribosphenida 25 myr
birds with beaks 65 myr
ascomycetous fungi 250 myr
angiosperm 10 myr
archaeocete whale 3.5 myr
therizinosaur 94 myr
Maldybulakia arthropod 40 myr
grass 30 myr
sponges 50 myr
gorilla 3.5 myr
Onychophoreans 210 myr
Adam would have been the first biological human
>being in that scenario, possessing all the traits of present-day
>humanity. Where do the intermediates fit in?
>
>If you are saying there is a date certain when a family of apes gave
>birth to a "hominid" child, and another date certain when a family of
>hominids produced a "spiritual" human being, what dates would you
>suggest? Not holding you to anything, just approximate dates would
>do fine. If these dates are different, which one is Adam?
Given the present data, assuming that the hominid from Chad stands up to
futher scrutiny, then there would be two dates, but the date of the
'hominid' child would be gradual and impossible to date precisely. (This
isn't much different than anyone else who holds that man's spirit is
inserted into an Ape lineage) My date for mankind is definitly greater than
2 million years because I can see religious activity or evidence of language
back that far in time. I have suggested 5.5 million because of the need for
a flood scenario.
Adam is the date when God inserted the soul. I do have a question for you. I
sent you my book, did you actually read it?
glenn
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