Re: Christian? On what basis?

From: Dr. Blake Nelson (bnelson301@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Jul 12 2002 - 21:08:54 EDT

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    Sondra,

    I think there is a great deal of breadth on the list
    that demonstrate different perspectives regarding
    several different dimensions of the Christian faith.

    In the relatively short time I have watched and
    participated in the exchange, I do not recall any
    serious challenges or concerns over the historicity of
    the New Testament witnesses to the life, death and
    resurrection of Jesus.

    Most of the differences I have seen relate to Old
    Testament texts. The problems and possibilities for
    interpretation of the Old Testament seem as a general
    principle to be the most problematic for lots of
    reasons that often get vented on this list. We are in
    good company with the Church Fathers and the Church's
    greatest theologians in our discussions over what the
    proper understanding of these texts may be. Lots of
    discussion has centered on Genesis. As Augustine
    pointed out, certain passages are genuinely open ot
    diverse interpretations, without calling into question
    any of the fundamental doctrines of the church.
    Augustine saw scientific research as allowing the
    church to determine what interpretations were
    appropriate.

    There is a quote of Augustine's in "The Creator and
    the Integrity of Creation in the Fathers of the
    Church" Augustinian Studies 21 (1990), 1-33, by
    Tarsicius van Bavel, that illustrates this. The quote
    that appears there is as follows:

    "In matters that are so obscure and far beyond our
    vision, we find in Holy Scripture passages which can
    be interpreted in very different ways wihtout
    prejudice to the faith we have received. In such
    cases, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly
    take our stand on one side that, if further progress
    in the search for truth justly undermines our
    position, we too fall with it. We should not battle
    for our own interpretation but for the teaching of the
    Holy Scripture. We should not wish to conform the
    meaning of the Holy Scripture to our interpretation,
    but our interpretation to the meaning of the Holy
    Scripture."

    In many areas, good scholarly research points out that
    our current, popular interpretation of Holy Scripture
    might not be what was intended by those who wrote
    those pieces of scripture. For example, you refer to
    the immortal soul. While there is great debate about
    what "soulishness" means, there is a very well
    supported line of scholarly research regarding the
    understanding of the Old and New Testaments that
    contends that an immortal soul, as some independent,
    non-material substance, added to our otherwise
    material makeup is not supported by the Holy
    Scriptures. Yet, these theologians and scholars of
    the Old and New Testament retain their Christian and
    creedal hope in the resurrection of the body. None of
    the creeds say that a belief in an immortal soul is a
    foundational belief of Christianity. Indeed, the
    arguments of these scholars focuse on the fact that
    the immortal soul is a Greek philosophical graft onto
    Christian theology.

    It seems that often times this list deals with those
    questions which in one tradition have become rather
    ingrained, but with which other Christian traditions
    differ. This sometimes results in lots of
    non-communication, other times in fruitful discussion.

    Whether or not evolution, the Big Bang, the lack of
    empirical evidence for a global flood, or any one of
    millions of possible criteria for determining the
    truth of falseness of any particular piece of
    information in the Bible destroys someones faith
    depends on what each individual person sees as
    critical to their reasons that uphold their faith --
    although faith itself need not be based on any
    particular evidence. So, George is right, everyone's
    basis for their faith is going to be different.

    Regards,

    Blake

    > Sondra Brasile wrote:
    >
    > > Dear Bob,
    > >
    > > Sorry, I didn't mean that I questioned the
    > people's Christianity. My
    > > question, "how do you guys do it?" is a real,
    > honest question. I never
    > > doubted whether they are or not, but only how
    > they can be. Does that
    > > clarify?
    > > I don't understand how they can believe when
    > their basis for belief is being
    > > torn apart every day even by their own evidences.
    > What do they have left to
    > > base their faith? Is it just 'blind faith'?

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