Gotta say one more thing as I just recalled this.
Dick Wrote:
>Absolutely! The world was populated in the millions 7,000 years ago. But
>my point has been that Adam is historical, Adam appeared long after the
>human race got its start, Adam has a place we can identify. And
>sacrificing
>farm-type animals as a covering for sin, or an offering to God (or gods),
>seems to have commenced in the same region at the same time.
I must note that farm-type animal sacrifice goes way back. Taurobolism, the
ritual slaying of a bull goes way, way back.
“Bulls also played an important role in the religious ceremonies of the
Iberian tribes living in Spain in prehistoric times. The origins of the
plaza de toros (bullring) are probably not the Roman amphitheatres but
rather the Celtic-Iberian temples where those ceremonies were held. Near
Numancia in the province of Soria one of them has survived, and it is
supposed that bulls were sacrificed to the gods there.”
http://www.donquijote.org/spain/bullfight/
accessed 4-22-02
Now, we go to the Solutrean of Spain, 20,000 years ago and we see a cave
painting of a bull being sacrificed in precisely this fashion.
"On a flat panel, behind this rock throne, a
prehistoric artist with some personality has painted a
spirited, defiant bull in profile. The painter had an
individual style, a sort of prehistoric Rubens, because his
undulant baroque line is repeated nowhere else in
Paleolithic art. The bull's back swell with a curved hump
of muscle. His chest is massive, his shoulders thick,
bulging. His head thrusts forward, covered by a jutting
cowl of fur. A single horn flips up and forward from behind
the tiny dot of his eye.
"The scrolling and curving style of this bull gives
him a sensuous power, heavy and thickset. He's full of male
energy.
"He appears to be wounded, as if he is the prototype
of a bull in a Spanish bullring. From his back, what looks
like a pica in a Spanish bullfight stands erect. It's
really just a dark vertical line, but it looks for all the
world as though this bull might have been stabbed by some
daring early hunter. Or some powerful Paleolithic shaman.
"The bull's obviously aggravated. He has strong narrow
hips, and his tail's raised, as if ready to charge.
"Jose Maria Ceballo, affectionately called Chema, is
the encargardo, or supervisor, of the archaeological caves
of the province of Cantabria. He and I spend many
afternoons in La Pasiega, as well as all the other caves in
the region. He's incredibly social and funny, a loquacious,
bearded man. He loves dirty jokes, which he's always
telling me to test my Spanish, and he knocks down
manchados--a white wine 'stained' with a splash of red-- as
he tells stories before lunch. He thinks it's the best way
to see prehistoric art in the afternoon. The raised tail,
he tells me, means the bull's 'macho' Chema says, Sexually
excited.
"In a sort of triumphant gesture, Chema points to a
distinct penis,' 'Lo ves, Carlos?' Do you see it?
"The sexual and the venatic impulse come together in this
prehistoric image."
Charles Bergman, Orion's Legacy (New York: Dutton, 1996), p. 32-33
Animal sacrifice 18,000 BC. Dick, how do you change your view now to avoid
an animal now kept on farms not indicating religious sacrifice prior to 7000
BC? Afterall, the Jews sacrificed bulls for religion, why doesn't this
count?
glenn
see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
for lots of creation/evolution information
anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
personal stories of struggle
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