Re: Eisele v Seely (was RE: Seely v Ruest&Fischer)

From: MikeSatterlee@cs.com
Date: Mon Apr 22 2002 - 08:39:37 EDT

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    Jim wrote: THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS IN GEN 1 IS ACCURATE.

    Of course, many Bible critics will disagree with that statement. They say
    that the first chapter of Genesis tells us that God caused light to appear
    and cycles of day and night to begin on earth long before He created the sun,
    moon and stars. They say that it tells us plants flourished on the earth
    without the benefit of sunlight, and before there were insects to pollinate
    them. They also say that Genesis chapter one tells us that God created birds
    before He created land animals.

    There are, of course, ways in which we may understand Genesis one so that it
    does not conflict with "the sequence of events" as science now tells us they
    occurred. However, according to Paul, they all involve "interpretations which
    even laymen can see are contrived." The only way I can see that Genesis one
    can be understood as being "scientifically accurate" is to understand its
    "days" as being long overlapping "ages." With this in mind, I'll offer the
    following interpretation. However, as I do so, I am certainly aware of Paul's
    criticism of all such interpretations. He wrote that they "give the text
    idiosyncratic meanings which would have surprised the original author and
    readers." In my opinion, this may or may not be a valid criticism. For I'm
    sure many here will agree that when several portions of scripture are finally
    properly understood (Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelation come to mind) their
    actual meanings, "would have [also] surprised the original author and
    readers."

    To begin with, to properly understand the Bible's first chapter, I am
    convinced we must
    accept the fact that its author did not intend for us to understand the
    "days" he there
    referred to as being literal 24 hour days. I have found that once we do this
    all apparent
    discrepancies between Genesis chapter one and the findings of modern science
    concerning the history of the universe, the earth and life on earth can be
    reconciled.

    A basic understanding of the original language in which Genesis was written
    supports this conclusion. Genesis was written in the ancient Hebrew language.
    The word "day" in that language was "Yom." It is widely acknowledged by
    scholars of the ancient Hebrew language that "Yom" was not just used by
    ancient Hebrews to refer to a 24 hour period of time. In fact, they tell us
    "Yom" had "several meanings." And they inform us that one of its meanings was
    "a period of time of unspecified duration." (see Vines Expository
    Dictionary of Biblical Words, 1985, pg. 54)

    Today we often use the word "day" to refer to a period of time much longer
    than 24
    hours. For instance, we might say, "In my father's day they did things
    differently." Or we might refer to "the day of the dinosaurs." That the
    author of Genesis chapter one also at times used the Hebrew word for "day" to
    refer to a period of time longer than a mere 24 hours is in fact made quite
    clear from that chapter's own context. For even though in Genesis chapter one
    he wrote that God had created "the heavens and the earth" in six "days," only
    a few verses later he wrote of "the day (singular) that the Lord made earth
    and heaven." (Gen. 2:4 ) So, from what Bible scholars tell us, and from the
    context of Genesis itself, we have good reasons to believe that the author of
    Genesis may have used the Hebrew word for "day" to refer to a very long
    period of time such as an "age" or an "era."

    Next, if we remember that "days" which are actually ages or eras, can and do
    often overlap, we will have very little trouble seeing that the Genesis story
    of creation does not contradict modern science. For instance, today we are
    living in what modern historians have called "the industrial age." But after
    that age began, and while it continued, they tell us "the space age" began.
    Then after "the space age" began, and while it and "the industrial age"
    continued, they tell us "the computer age" began.

    It is my belief that the writer of Genesis chapter one used the word "day"
    just as we
    often do, to refer to an age or era. And I believe that he there referred to
    ages or eras
    which overlapped, just as historians often do today. I will here show that
    when we understand Genesis chapter one in this way, the history of our
    universe and of our earth there recorded fully agrees with the findings of
    modern science.

    The time frames which will here be referred to are as given in The History Of
    Life On Earth - An Illustrated Chronicle Of An Evolving Planet, by William
    K.Hartman & Ron Miller, 1997

    Genesis 1:1-5, "Day" One.
    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was
    formless and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the
    Spirit of God was moving over the waters. And God said, "Let there be light,"
    and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the
    light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he
    called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning, the first day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of matter and light," began
    about 15 billion years ago with the Big Bang and continued up to the time God
    created mankind. During this time God created all of the physical heavens
    including our earth. Shortly after earth reached its present size light first
    pierced its black soot filled skies and, from the perspective of earth's
    surface, cycles of day and night began. Since new stars continued to form and
    new days and nights continued to occur all during this 15 billion year time
    period, I believe this 1st "day" / age of creation continued to run all the
    way up until the time God created His last totally new and different
    creation, human beings.

    Genesis 1:6-8, "Day" Two.
    And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water
    from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the
    expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky."
    And there was evening, and there was morning, the second day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of water and sky," began
    about 4.4 billion years ago. At that time earth's ancient atmosphere was up
    to 70 times as dense as it is today. The young hot earth was filling its
    primitive atmosphere with water vapor at a prodigious rate. Yet the earth and
    its atmosphere were too hot to allow condensation to take place. But then, as
    the earths surface and atmosphere cooled enough to permit the due point to be
    reached, rain finally began to fall. It then fell continually for thousands
    of years to produce a global ocean. When the rains finally stopped clear
    skies at long last appeared above this global ocean. And above these clear
    skies appeared an unbroken global cloud cover. God had separated the waters
    which had filled earth's primordial atmosphere, waters which first existed in
    the form of heavy steam and then as an apparently never-ending global rain.
    God had separated earth's waters with a "sky," by forming clouds above this
    sky and seas below this sky. This situation, a clear sky separating the
    continually forming clouds from the continually forming seas, would continue
    up until the time God created mankind. So, I believe, this 2nd "day" / age of
    creation also continued up until that time.

    Genesis 1: 9-13, "Day" Three.
    And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let
    dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the
    gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good. Then God
    said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the
    land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And
    it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants
    bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it
    according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was
    evening, and there was morning, the third day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of land and vegetation,"
    began 4.3 billion years ago. At that time land masses began to rise from
    earth's global ocean. However, not until about 450 million years ago did
    vegetation begin to cover the land. That the land and the vegetation growing
    from it were referred to by the author of Genesis chapter one as one creative
    time period, seems easy to understand. For with their roots in the soil the
    plants which cover the land are truly one with the land. Since various types
    of vegetation continued to develop up to the time of mankind's creation, I
    believe this 3rd creative "day" / age of creation also continued up until the
    time of man's creation.

    Genesis 1:14-19, "Day" Four.
    And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the
    day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and
    years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the
    earth." And it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to
    govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the
    stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to
    govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God
    saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning, the
    fourth day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of star gazing," began 4.2
    billion years ago. Even though earth's thick steamy atmosphere had cleared by
    condensing into rain nearly 200 million years earlier, from earth's surface
    the sun, moon and stars remained hidden from view, blocked by earth's thick
    unbroken cloud cover. Scientists tell us that from earth's surface an
    observer would have first been able to see these heavenly bodies about 4.2
    billion years ago. For it was then that the clouds first began to break up in
    some areas. However, the dense largely CO2 atmosphere which then existed
    produced very hazy skies over most of earth's surface would have allowed only
    an unclear view of the sun, moon and stars from earth's surface. A fully
    transparent atmosphere did not develop for another 3.5 billion years, until
    plant life had fully changed earth's atmosphere replacing hazy CO2 with clear
    oxygen. I believe this 4th creative "day" / age continued up until the
    creation of man, since only then could the sun, moon and stars begin being
    used by man "as signs" "to mark seasons and days and years." (Gen. 1:14)

    It is important here to note that it is the Hebrew verb "Asa" which Gen. 1:16
    uses in
    reference to the sun, moon, and stars being "made" by God on the fourth
    "day." And
    Hebrew lexicons tell us that "Asa" does not connote "the absolute newness of
    the object" that has been made, as does the Hebrew verb "Bara" used elsewhere
    in Genesis chapter one. Rather, we are told that "Asa" primarily connotes
    "the fashioning of" preexisting materials. This being so, I believe the
    writer of Genesis was telling us that God caused the preexisting sun, moon
    and stars to first become visible from earth's surface during this fourth
    creative period of time. (see Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, by
    Harris, Archer & Waltke, 1980, Vol.2, pg. 701)

    Genesis 1: 20-23, "Day" Five.
    And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly
    above the earth across the expanse of the sky." So God created the great
    creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water
    teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
    And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and
    increase in number and fill the water of the seas, and let birds increase on
    the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning, the fifth day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of life in the sea and in
    the air," began 3.9 billion years ago. At that time the first one-celled
    organisms appeared in earth's oceans. The first birds, however, did not
    appear on earth until another 3.7 billion years had passed. That sea
    creatures and birds are spoken of in Genesis chapter one as having come into
    existence during the same time period may simply have been a somewhat
    arbitrary decision on the part of the author to discuss all "non-land-bound"
    creatures before discussing all "land-bound" creatures. Since new types of
    sea creatures and birds continued to appear on earth up until the time God
    created man, I believe this 5th creative "day" / age continued to run up
    until that time also.

    Genesis 1: 24-31, "Day" Six.
    And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their
    kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals,
    each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals
    according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the
    creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw
    that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in our image, in our
    likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air
    and over every living creature that moves on the ground." So God created man
    in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he
    created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in
    number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the
    birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
    Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole
    earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for
    food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all
    the creatures that move on the ground, everything that has the breath of life
    in it, I give every green plant for food." And it was so. God saw all that he
    had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning,
    the sixth day.

    I believe this age, which may be called "the age of land creatures and man,"
    began about 430 million years ago. At that time insects became the first
    animals to colonize land. During this 6th "day" of creation many species of
    animals appeared on the earth and later fell into extinction, including the
    dinosaurs. Finally God "created" man. I believe He did so by putting into
    highly evolved primates moral consciences and an awareness of the possible
    existence of a Creator. I believe God also then gave His new creations
    eternal spirits.

    Before saying that the Genesis account of creation contradicts science we
    should also
    remember that Genesis uses the Hebrew word for "create," Bara, only in
    describing God's bringing into existence the heavens and earth, life in the
    sea and mankind. All other kinds of life, vegetation and animals, Genesis
    tells us, were not directly "created" by God but were "produced" by "the
    land." (Gen. 1:11,12, 24) And, as I mentioned earlier, Hebrew lexicons tell
    us that "Bara," Hebrew for "create," refers to "the initiation" of something,
    while the Hebrew words translated as "produced" refer to "the fashioning of,"
    or the changing shape of, preexisting materials. These things being so, I
    believe Genesis chapter one not only allows for the possibility that God used
    evolutionary processes to bring about all life on earth, but actually teaches
    us that He did so.

    I believe that the foregoing demonstrates that Genesis chapter one does not
    contradict the findings of modern science. Other similar understandings of
    Genesis' first chapter have also been put forward which fully agree with the
    findings of modern science. I am convinced that the only things pertaining to
    the Bible's first chapter that are truly at odds with scientific realities
    are some peoples' misunderstandings of the information that is there
    presented.



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